Trump is in charge now and it is obvious he can't be trusted with these decisions. It's amazing you people keep listening to and are supportive of dunce cap.

You have a better chance at winning the lottery. But I agree completely.

Just from the other things the Dems tried to tack on to the stimulus package, I would assume they don't want large company bailout oversight to make sure the funds are used properly, but to have oversight to decide which companies get the bailout.
HUGE difference.

What are the limits on who gets it? In principle thats fine if the company is healthy or not particularly affected by the current situation.

super low IQ take.

yes, for the moment, the economic costs wont lead to casualty numbers higher than what the coronavirus would cause if left unchecked. for now, the shutdowns are the right approach.


but this state of affairs cant be kept up for too long before the economic devastations of the shutdown become so ginormous that the tradeoff becomes less clear. for now, we can try to soldier through this for a while and hope that the infection chains get interrupted and we get this virus under control, to the point where extensive and preemptive testing coupled with strict quarantines for positives can keep it at bay while we reopen society. that's basically the approach most countries are taking at the moment.



if this approach fails, however, we will very quickly get into a situation where we have to make horrible and impossible choices, where we will indeed have to weigh money and jobs against human life. would 1m lives, mostly of people who are nearing the end of their lifespan anyway, really be worth the loss of ten million of jobs and $5 trillions in wealth? What if its 30m jobs and $15 trillion? And would be able to sustain basic welfare and healthcare in these scenarios? If not, how many casualties would that cause?


if things go badly, we will get into a situation where we (or rather our political leaders) will have to make this impossible decision between human lives and economic fallout, no matter how unethical and inhumane it is and how much it goes against human rights and our values.



Trump might be an insensitive and selfish fool, and he's raising this question of when to reopen out of the wrong motivation (save his reelection), but it is nonetheless the right, the inevitable question. All world leaders are currently asking themselves these questions and analyzing those scenarios, and anyone thinking otherwise is a complete and utter fool. Unlike Trump, they are smart enough to stay silent and keep those considerations private.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 24 2020 06:27pm

The Dems don't give a fuck about the people dying from CV 19. They DO care about things like funding solar and wind. I assume this is because they... invested in them or took payoffs.
I can see no other reason they even had the gall to try to attach those conditions to the stimulus package anyways.

On one hand have we have people dying, on the other we have the Dems stalling the bill to get solar and wind goodies for those types of companies.

The companies that should get a bailout are those that will help crush CV 19.

This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 24 2020 06:28pm

you can stop the one-way trains, but that will stop the final solution

heinrich: trains go vrrrrrrooooom

They have two options really: go bankrupt, or stay in business and accept those conditions for a limited timeframe.

You did not answer my question

Post #1731... this is what the Dems tried to attach to the stimulus package. NONE are relevant or would aid the halt of this pandemic.






/e This is where the Dems heads are at. ANY thing they agree to now...will be in aid of this list above.

This post was edited by Ghot on Mar 24 2020 06:39pm