that makes no sense whatsoever. there is no actual "divine right" - not one for self defence nor any other. inalienable rights are NOT analogous to it, they are rights that SOCIETIES agreed upon, not something that "god" granted. you can argue that self defence is an inalienable right without ever introducing god or divine in the conversation, let alone pretend that two very distinct meanings are somehow analogous.



what the actual fuck? that's absurd. what i actually said is that i suspect his ANTI-CHOICE stance to be religiously motivated. his point about owning guns being a "divine right", alongside him outright stating that he's religious, leading me to believe that his radical position is one influenced by religious notions.
i didn't say ANYthing about his radical pro-gun stance, or the right to self-defense (which i fully agree we all have), being founded on religion. do you genuinely believe i don't think we all have a right to defend ourselves? i merely reject the moronic "conclusion" that that somehow implies unrestricted access to firearms - as do most civilised societies, and the result speaks for itself.

This post was edited by fender on May 31 2022 03:35pm

"Endowed by their creator"

Perhaps you should read the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and it's preamble. Since such things are too complex for you, we'll go with the children's teaching method of "divine rights" or "inalienable rights" or "natural rights" and simply say:

"Even the mouse attacks the cat, in an effort to survive. The cat never claims to be a victim."

This topic in it's entirety is absurd. The police, the cat, prevented armed parents from rescuing their children and killing the shooter. For an hour. Stop defending the indefensible.

Sounds like you advocate defunding the police you dumb liberal. Don't you know we NEED more police? Ha, you leftists just don't understand anything.

I support the defunding of politicized police.

In a proper community aspect, the community elects it's sheriff. The sheriff sees to the hiring and firing and training of officers. They're the person in charge. Somehow, the system has been magically corrupted, where all funding has to go through some made up "Police Commissioner" title, or something similar, and a community does not get it's police funding unless they obey the edicts of said appointed official. Appointed by whom? The mayor/governor, of course!

I'm 100% in support of community police if they're community police. Overly funded state and federal enforcement is corrupt and politicized. So when departments like Portland went and slashed it's funding, the best officers who believed in their oath to uphold both the state and federal constitution who were least likely to bow to the funding pressures of the bleating fucking sheep of a mayor of Portland found themselves seeking new career opportunities. The most... loyal... Members of the force to the new agenda maintained their positions. And even many of them started to quit after a while when the edict coming down from the mayor was that they couldn't return fire even when violent rioters threw Molotov cocktails at them, directly attempting to burn them alive. Now, there's a "refunding" effort, and a huge portion of the laid off/fired/quit police that won't return. Their paychecks, benefits, and retirements are held in the hands of these shifty fucking politicians, they've already been fucked, and told not to respond even in defense of their own lives, why should they come back to work?

The "Defund Movement™" was never about removing police. It was about removing community police who actually give a shit about the community itself, and replacing them with political police, who're merely private armies for the politicians to whip you into line with. And these fucktards in Uvalde managed exactly that, when they actively detained parents who's children were being murdered. And the police involved have already told that they were ordered to stand down. They've already told to treat it more like a hostage situation. An active fucking shooting. That's more than a mistake.

Bruh, this police department is a local department. They eat like 40% of their town's budget.

lefties wussed out on "defund the police"

He's thinking more like Andy Griffith type police or the Sheriff from cowboy movies.

It's a very interesting local department, too. You talk about 40% of the town's budget going to police, but the school district has it's own separate force within the overall department. Further, that force receives an additional half a million a year from the federal government. Further, while Uvalde City police arrived relatively quickly, they were ordered to stand down and hold a perimeter, by the "school police chief". Yet another made up, appointed title, for an unelected official. Part of a special force dedicated to the protection of the children, also receiving federal funding.

The portion of the department making decisions was not the "local department". It was a "special status" department, where the school district had control over their own enforcement, and were being cofunded by the Federal Government in their efforts.

Post less, read more. You might learn something.

You are willing to die to own guns. Got it. I'm sure your family approves.