exactly and somehow the democrat sinkholes like new york still have one of the worst track records on covid despite destroying the lives of millions with draconic mandates

but that never happened and inflation has nothing to do with the ultimate money printing (also caused by lockdowns), its pootins fault and no abortions REEEEEEEEEEEE

its such a pathetic attempt to mobilise the npc hoard before the midterms

Who are the oligarchs here? This is a triumph of democracy in action. We're witnessing the culmination of a multi decade grassroots campaign.

Democrats are typically pro-rape until they need to defend use of murder as contraception

this is soooo true

I mean, to be fair, the political aspect is a self-inflicted wound for conservatives. From a Machiavellian perspective, it would have been far smarter to wait with overturning Roe until after the midterms.




Claiming that the covid death toll was inevitable is blatantly wrong in the face of empirical evidence. Delaying infections until after vaccines became available and/or until a less deadly variant dominated definitely impacted the death toll.
The fact that a ton of the covid measures were ineffective should not mislead us into thinking that each and every precaution was futile.


The true tldr on covid is that it was indeed a tradeoff between wealth and freedom on the one side and health on the other. One side of the political aisle kept claiming that keeping cases as low as possible, whatever it takes, would yield the optimal outcome on all dimensions. They were horribly, almost comically wrong. The failure of the covid hawks does not, however, imply that doing absolutely nothing would have been the ideal response.

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yes, however this leak from behind closed doors is unprecedented and a complete disgrace

on the second point: the future death toll and unnecessary loss of lifetime among the non risk population will be far worse than failing to protect a few 70 year old obese chain smokers until 3 jabs might save that persons life

worst tradeoff ever, the people responsible for this should be hanged and not give health advice

And who determines what the ideal response to covid should be? The government, I am sure. There is a conflict of interest here.

not going over this again with a notorious science denier who doesn't even understand that vaccinations lower your chances of infection / severe case / death by multiple times.

vaccine hesitancy and rejection of science, not just amongst trumptards, leading to countless preventable deaths are probably his biggest shortcoming in regards to covid. the enriching himself, the corruption, and politicising of such an issue are almost expected from a life long scammer and narcissist, and pale in comparison...

more like its a pale lefty that you are aligned with suggesting that “minorities only do things like that and must be aborted”. it really is a sickness..

well okay there were some policies that worsened the pandemic, like new york sending covid patients to senior living facilities. But in general, we saw that masks were ineffective and lockdowns were ineffective, and vaccines are only effect until the next variant. We didn't have a ton of effective covid measures within reason. Unless the government was willing to send storm troopers to weld people's doors shut and let them starve to death like China does, then the measures put forward by either party haven't been effective. Now we can debate hypotheticals like what if we had tried to burn the virus out up front with intentional superspreading instead of slowing it down enough to mutate, but what we can say with reasonable certainty is that the measures we did take, were ineffective, and we'd still 'probably' have a similar death toll with or without them. Infections soared with or without vaccines, and people have steadily died en masse even with them. As long as our country was disproportionately fat and old, we were going to get hammered in a way other countries weren't

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 3 2022 04:29pm