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Nov 4 2021 11:19am
Quote (lolkggz @ Nov 4 2021 12:17pm)
Don't forget the millionaires


millionaires only exist because they're billionaires who offshore millions. you either have 1k$ in savings or own a 300 ft long yacht. there isnt an inbetween.
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millionaires only exist because they're billionaires who offshore millions. you either have 1k$ in savings or own a 300 ft long yacht. there isnt an inbetween.


Can confirm.

Every time i get 1k in my savings account my bank takes it and rolls a die. If it comes out the right number i get a billion dollars.
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Can confirm.

Every time i get 1k in my savings account my bank takes it and rolls a die. If it comes out the right number i get a billion dollars.



Not too far off from investing in meme stocks circa 2020
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Nov 4 2021 01:44pm
No doubt this remind me Jacob Cruz: isolated, psychologically challenged young male.
Follow the red cap trail.
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No doubt this remind me Jacob Cruz: isolated, psychologically challenged young male.
Follow the red cap trail.



except challenge and isolated is the new norm! soon c19 shots for the easter bunny!
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Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Nov 2021 15:57)
indeed

mostly red states that electorally vote blue, exist.

mostly red states that electorally vote red, exist.

mostly blue states that electorally vote blue, exist.

mostly blue states that electorally vote red, do not exist.

That's just a function of population density. In a system where the parties are sorted along the urban-rural divide, the urban party will always control a minority of the geographic area.





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https://twitter.com/DeadlineWH/status/1456023540310945794

An important point by Tim. While people who follow politics closely and believe in democracy can't imagine voting for the nutty insurrection party, a lot of people are focused on other things.


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I think this is part of it.

What comes to mind is "who cares about woke nonsense when the other party tried to overturn American democracy, and they're still promoting the extremism that led to Jan 6th(see Tucker's nutty documentaries)?".

But I suppose the "stop the steal" and Jan 6th trutherism is not as front and center in many people's lives as the woke stuff. And school boards aren't developing curriculum devoted to the "stop the steal" narrative.

How dare these imbeciles care more about their pocket book or the education of their children than about something that happened months ago in a place they loathe to people they loathe.

But to give a more serious answer: if we consider the Jan 6 insurrection an attempt at overturning American democracy, then it was an almost comically haphazard and disorganized attempt which didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of achieving anything. We also cannot discount the fact that a lot of the participants were not organized militia/proud boy types but rather just rowdy Trump supporters who were riled up and got carried away by the events. I think it's quite normal and understandable that opinions on the severity of this attack vary a lot, with many voters not considering it to be this huge deal breaker for which Republicans have to be punished at any (policy) cost.


Youngkin's key to success, aside from a favorable political environment and an erratic opponent, was staying sufficiently independent from Trump. Like I said days ago, Youngkin is more of a Romney than a Trump, and voters could clearly see that. He ran a good campaign and was a good fit for Virginia.



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How dare these imbeciles care more about their pocket book or the education of their children than about something that happened months ago in a place they loathe to people they loathe.

But to give a more serious answer: if we consider the Jan 6 insurrection an attempt at overturning American democracy, then it was an almost comically haphazard and disorganized attempt which didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of achieving anything. We also cannot discount the fact that a lot of the participants were not organized militia/proud boy types but rather just rowdy Trump supporters who were riled up and got carried away by the events. I think it's quite normal and understandable that opinions on the severity of this attack vary a lot, with many voters not considering it to be this huge deal breaker for which Republicans have to be punished at any (policy) cost.


Youngkin's key to success, aside from a favorable political environment and an erratic opponent, was staying sufficiently independent from Trump. Like I said days ago, Youngkin is more of a Romney than a Trump, and voters could clearly see that. He ran a good campaign and was a good fit for Virginia.


I'm not being critical... I understand why people are focused on issues closer to home.

I don't think "overturn American democracy" is hyperbolic. Sure, if Trump successfully stole the election, we would still have a Congress, and the Supreme Court, and the rule of law in a general sense. But an American president using his power to overturn the will of the American people would be a fundamental break with America's democratic tradition. And I can't imagine what the country would look like following an event like that.

Everything Trump does is haphazard and disorganized... but he used his power in several areas to try to get it overturned, and he had his propagandists, that half the country listen to or watch, backing him up the whole time.

All it would've taken to be successful are a couple states sending different slates of electors. Or not certifying the vote at all, and throwing it to Congress because neither Trump or Biden hit 270.

I don't follow politics much anymore so I genuinely don't care who is governor of Virginia. It's better for my mental health to be apathetic.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 4 2021 05:36pm
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Nov 2021 18:01)
That's just a function of population density. In a system where the parties are sorted along the urban-rural divide, the urban party will always control a minority of the geographic area.








How dare these imbeciles care more about their pocket book or the education of their children than about something that happened months ago in a place they loathe to people they loathe.

But to give a more serious answer: if we consider the Jan 6 insurrection an attempt at overturning American democracy, then it was an almost comically haphazard and disorganized attempt which didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of achieving anything. We also cannot discount the fact that a lot of the participants were not organized militia/proud boy types but rather just rowdy Trump supporters who were riled up and got carried away by the events. I think it's quite normal and understandable that opinions on the severity of this attack vary a lot, with many voters not considering it to be this huge deal breaker for which Republicans have to be punished at any (policy) cost.


Youngkin's key to success, aside from a favorable political environment and an erratic opponent, was staying sufficiently independent from Trump. Like I said days ago, Youngkin is more of a Romney than a Trump, and voters could clearly see that. He ran a good campaign and was a good fit for Virginia.



delusional and unhinged pale pasty ‘Pollster’ worshipper “icepeon” is back with more faulty election analysis. shocker.

probably because his idol clinton’s former duffel bag boy mcawful missed this layup in an epic failure. like that failure he (icepeon) is rambling about Trump in an election that did not feature him outside of mcawful constantly running against him for no reason :rofl:

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I'm not being critical... I understand why people are focused on issues closer to home.

I don't think "overturn American democracy" is hyperbolic. Sure, if Trump successfully stole the election, we would still have a Congress, and the Supreme Court, and the rule of law in a general sense. But an American president using his power to overturn the will of the American people would be a fundamental break with America's democratic tradition. And I can't imagine what the country would look like following an event like that.

Everything Trump does is haphazard and disorganized... but he used his power in several areas to try to get it overturned, and he had his propagandists, that half the country listen to or watch, backing him up the whole time.

All it would've taken to be successful are a couple states sending different slates of electors. Or not certifying the vote at all, and throwing it to Congress because neither Trump or Biden hit 270.

I don't follow politics much anymore so I genuinely don't care who is governor of Virginia. It's better for my mental health to be apathetic.


I quit following politics from about 2013 until Trump announced his candidacy. It was just too frustrating to see all the liberal bullshit.

They definitely need to fix that law and that's one of the purposes of the Jan 6 committee.
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We had this discussion recently where we both agreed that children should be taught history without glossing over the ugly side of it. I think the most important takeaway from learning history is that it IS nuanced but you don't want to miss the forest for the trees. One aspect of whitewashing is when you use a set of facts to weave a narrative that isn't correct. A great example of this is the Lost Cause narrative which continues to see success today. Anyway, Goomshill's analysis on Native American history is what gives the game away. If you pollute the waters enough, you'll come to the conclusion that "both sides are bad" and leave it at that. We should not teach history in a way that lends itself to false equivalences. That's not to say that we shouldn't teach the atrocities done by Native Americans but it needs to be in the context where most people see a forest and not the Gobi Desert.


The Lost Cause is not what they're debating in Virginia, though. We can say with certainty that Democrats do not want to end AP classes in VA because the AP classes are promoting the Lost Cause, because it's just not true. The College Board (headquartered in NY) is not promoting marginal southern American historical positions. The objection is that blacks are underrepresented, and that underrepresentation is evidence in and of itself that Advanced Placement is racist. Asian-American parents aren't resisting Democratic educational efforts because they're white-adjacent, they oppose it because their children benefit from the objectivity test scores provide.

History is a process for interpreting the past and understanding the present. When we teach children about the Mongolian conquest of the Southern Song, we don't get wrapped up in discussing the relative ethics of Kublai Khan's conquests, or the 40 million Chinese dead. And when we teach children about Julius Caesar, we focus on his role in the death of the Roman Republic. We don't focus on the ethical impact of Caesar's decision to invade Gaul, or the million dead he left there. It understandably gets much harder to maintain that sort of objectivity the closer you get to home, but all the more reason that we should be trying to represent a complex history as it is, warts and all.

What CRT is trying to do is replace the struggle of the proletariat with a struggle between oppressed and oppressor based singularly on race. And by leveraging moral power, it seeks to shut down any sort of intellectual debate on its precepts. Either you admit that the world is divided between oppressed and oppressors (and you're certainly the oppressor), or you're guilty of an even worse moral crime. Any sort of intellectual debate on the topic is verboten. It's religious, not intellectual, so it's not even up for debate. It's the sort of propaganda that would make Stalin proud. If you want in, so be it. But for my part, I want no part of it.
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