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Oct 15 2020 02:33pm
Quote (IceMage @ 15 Oct 2020 22:22)
This all is way too online though to be a successful strategy to close out a campaign.


I dont disagree with that. All I'm saying is that this censorship is actually a big fucking deal and outrageous... or at least it should be. It's not a game changer for this election, but it will imho help Trump and Republicans at the margins.
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Oct 15 2020 02:33pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 15 2020 01:16pm)
Like I said previously, the real story here is how Big Tech felt the need to unleash a full-throttled censorship effort to suppress a relative nothingburger story. One-sided, partisan censorship against conservatives imho is a much bigger story for the Republican base, and potentially for GOP-leaning swing voters, than the actual Hunter Biden stuff. People typically dont respond well to efforts to silence their voices. Not at all.


There are reports that these 5 or so emails were created by Russian PsyOps. Again, I'm not going to blindly believe that theory until the FBI and/or other intelligence agencies can verify that. That will obviously take a significant amount of time.

I do not consider this censorship of "conservatives" by any stretch of the imagination. IF this is some sort of Russian propaganda campaign and conservatives happen to believe that then I'm not sure what the correct action is. If one side is more likely to believe in disinformation, what the fuck do you do? What's the best course of action for private companies?
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Oct 15 2020 02:36pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 15 2020 04:18pm)
It might be if there was a solution on the table, but I've never seen a realistic way to stop it that doesnt shatter the internet as we know it.


Rewrite section 230 and tie lack of legal liability to promoting the internet as an "open forum" for debate.

Twitter can accept legal liability and hire thousands of moderators to police tweets or operate as a neutral forum and enjoy the same privileges they have today.
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Oct 15 2020 02:37pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 15 2020 10:33pm)
There are reports that these 5 or so emails were created by Russian PsyOps. Again, I'm not going to blindly believe that theory until the FBI and/or other intelligence agencies can verify that. That will obviously take a significant amount of time.

I do not consider this censorship of "conservatives" by any stretch of the imagination. IF this is some sort of Russian propaganda campaign and conservatives happen to believe that then I'm not sure what the correct action is. If one side is more likely to believe in disinformation, what the fuck do you do? What's the best course of action for private companies?


Yeah the russians, killing people like they want and blaiming others for... The russians who sell oil cheaper to europe then usa does? Those russians? Where all people live in poverty under a bad communsim? Those russians? :rofl:
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Oct 15 2020 02:38pm
Quote (thundercock @ 15 Oct 2020 22:33)
There are reports that these 5 or so emails were created by Russian PsyOps. Again, I'm not going to blindly believe that theory until the FBI and/or other intelligence agencies can verify that. That will obviously take a significant amount of time.

I do not consider this censorship of "conservatives" by any stretch of the imagination. IF this is some sort of Russian propaganda campaign and conservatives happen to believe that then I'm not sure what the correct action is. If one side is more likely to believe in disinformation, what the fuck do you do? What's the best course of action for private companies?


Put a big fat disclaimer over any link to the nypost article or references to this story, warning people to take what they're about to read with a big grain of salt. Give people all the available information, including the potential for all of this to be a Russian subversion attempt, and then let the people make up their own mind.

But that's really the crux: corporate liberals/the representatives of "woke capitalism" dont like it when the people can make up their own mind, because they tend to arrive at "the wrong" conclusions, like voting for Trump over Clinton, for Brexit over the EU, for jobs and prosperity instead of climate socialism, for assimilation and national unity instead of multiculturalism, freedom of speech over political correctness, etc. pp.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2020 02:47pm
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Oct 15 2020 02:39pm
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Rewrite section 230 and tie lack of legal liability to promoting the internet as an "open forum" for debate.

Twitter can accept legal liability and hire thousands of moderators to police tweets or operate as a neutral forum and enjoy the same privileges they have today.


At which point Sandy Hook victims get harassed and they are unable to ban the accounts because it's an open debate about whether or not they are crisis actors
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Oct 15 2020 02:41pm
this story is really kind of poop tbh
I would rather talk more about Hilldog's emails
and underground Dem pedo rings
ooh, or Benjamin Gazi that rascal
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Oct 15 2020 02:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 15 2020 04:33pm)
There are reports that these 5 or so emails were created by Russian PsyOps. Again, I'm not going to blindly believe that theory until the FBI and/or other intelligence agencies can verify that. That will obviously take a significant amount of time.

I do not consider this censorship of "conservatives" by any stretch of the imagination. IF this is some sort of Russian propaganda campaign and conservatives happen to believe that then I'm not sure what the correct action is. If one side is more likely to believe in disinformation, what the fuck do you do? What's the best course of action for private companies?


Twitter reflexively banned a story because they thought it was bad for Biden. How many (now known to be false) stories did they ban about Trump?

Of course this is censorship. I don't think this is Twitter's policy, per say, but Dorsey has lost control of his staff and needs to be held to account.
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Oct 15 2020 02:43pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 15 2020 04:39pm)
At which point Sandy Hook victims get harassed and they are unable to ban the accounts because it's an open debate about whether or not they are crisis actors


Open debate is more important than that. Use a block feature.

If it's criminal harassment ban the user and refer to the police.
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Oct 15 2020 02:46pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 15 2020 03:43pm)
Open debate is more important than that. Use a block feature.

If it's criminal harassment ban the user and refer to the police.


Not that simple lol. They could just as easily ban the current story under that rule by claiming the pictures are private and harassment of Hunter Biden.

And then you come to the issue where you are providing benefits in exchange for companies to provide hosting for things they disagree with which is tantamount to a punishment for not doing so...

The reality is that this is not a simple thing with a simple solution and nobody has proposed anything that would pass constitutional muster and actually fix the problem


This is one of those issues where I would love there to be a quick fix because left-leaning hosts get f***** by these companies a lot more often than right-leaning ones, but there simply isn't an easy solution that also passes constitutional muster and can be implemented in an unbiased way

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 15 2020 02:48pm
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