He won those states by turning out rural voters, who absolutely respond to the kind of white identity politics that Skinned is referencing.

The "bring back coal and reduce regulation" rhetoric is pretty standard for Republicans. Bring back manufacturing, etc. is something they always run on.

I mean, so is the white identity politics, but usually it's hidden behind dog whistles.

If it's OK for the wealthy to cheat the system "because it's legal and makes them smart," then it's OK for poor people to exploit loopholes in the welfare system and I must assume you think that's OK and makes them smart, too.

And speaking of welfare, using public services without paying for them is also welfare. Trump is a welfare queen. Period.

But its okay for Joe Biden to cheat the system and/or use loopholes because he's a democrat

Imagine thinking Ink would justify the actions of someone because they're a Democrat.

And not just your usual, far-right Democrat, no, it's Joe Biden, one of the most staunchly right-wing extremist Democrats out there.


This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 28 2020 03:08pm

I mean, it took beating old Joe over the head for a while to even get him to say he wanted Medicare for all, and often he still won't admit that being dependent on your employer for your healthcare in a pandemic is a shitty situation.

Joe will be about the same as Obama, in that he will be an excellent status-quo manager. Things won't get better (except for maybe how the pandemic is handled), the systemic problems will largely stay the same with a little movement on some issues that there's really wide popular support, but for the most part the issues will remain.

More than just a status-quo manager, I think its reasonable to say that whats at stake in this election is inversely proportional to how strongly people feel about it. Joe Biden becoming president, or Trump being reelected, is likely going to be very inconsequential in the long run compared to previous presidencies, or at least the 2016 election by a huge margin. Now that US popular opinion has rebuked the warmongering neoliberals while Trump has busted out peace processes everywhere means even the drastic difference in foreign policy that 2016 presented is going to be largely moot with Biden who won't be keen to repeat Obama's mistakes. So what you've got is Trump, who already accomplished almost all his domestic policy objectives in the wall, tax cuts, job creation / economic growth, deregulation, etc etc and has defeated ISIS and killed Baghdadi and wound down the wars and pushed Iran into a corner, etc etc- up for reelection against a milquetoast pragmatist who will bend with the popular opinion on any issue, a popular opinion generally aligned with most of Trump's legacy. We had 4 years of Republicans declining to repeal Obamacare, I imagine that even were Biden elected we'd have 4 years of Democrats declining to 'tear down the wall' or betray the Saudis & Israel on Iran or hike taxes. And on top of all of that, whoever is elected next will have a drought of judicial openings to nominate because of how prolific McConnell's factory line was for the past 4 years. The actuarial odds of another scotus opening with Breyer as the only 80+ year old aren't great and the lower courts are stuffed silly.

So we've got a world where folks are shooting each other and driving into each other's rallies in car ramming attacks because they're so hyped up over partisan politics, but the results of the election might be largely inconsequential in the long run. Biden isn't going to undo Trump's advances and whatever his foibles he's not as dangerously erratic as Clinton on an international stage

But Joe Biden isnt trying to turn the system into a Dictatorship

You're right.

Joe Biden is only trying to take away the Second Amendment.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Sep 28 2020 03:49pm

You keep responding to points I never made. I haven't criticized Trump for what he paid, although I think it's not unreasonable to do so.

Really I'm just interested in the people who look at a story like this, and the only reaction is "nothing matters". Not even as it pertains to what he campaigned on, and how he has governed. It's just pure visceral tribalism... you guys can't even entertain why this might be relevant without someone making it abundantly clear to you.



So it's the voters job to pressure politicians, but Trump deserves absolutely no blame or criticism for not following campaign promises in this area.

Wew lad.