Quote (IceMage @ 19 Dec 2019 19:27)
This is just a laughable narrative.
Every opposition party is upset when their adversary wins the presidency. Multiple Republicans before the election were calling for Hillary to be impeached once in office for her behavior. The Trump defending Andy McCarthy, who opposed impeaching Trump, wrote a book on why Republicans should impeach Obama. To pretend that impeachment isn't a weapon both political parties always consider is just revealing your historical ignorance.
The Mueller report showed several acts of attempted obstruction of justice by the president, and still Pelosi realized that impeachment wasn't a wise decision. It took a blatantly obvious abuse of power for her to change her mind.
Nobody in this thread who supports Trump(including yourself) would oppose impeaching a Democrat if the same facts were present. Not one. Trump's misbehavior and corruption have become so normalized that you fellas aren't able to understand that.
Gotta say though... this is a day where reality-based Americans can be happy that our democracy fought back against a blatantly corrupt leader. Whether it helps Trump in 2020 or not is irrelevant in my opinion... he's now etched in history as an impeached president.
I wouldnt.
Quote (Skinned @ 19 Dec 2019 19:36)
White identity politics for the most part.
On the substance, Trump's 2016 platform consisted of two parts: what you call "white identity politics", and anti-globalization, anti-free trade sentiment.
Whether we call the first part "white identity politics" or "a rebuttal of the anti-white, anti-straight-male identity politics that were coming from liberals" doesnt really matter. Either way, this was not what won him the election. It's the second pillar, the anti-free trade stuff.
To see why that is, just look at the decisive states for Trump: Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. In all 3 of these states, the number of Obama-Trump voters substantially exceeded Trump's narrow winning margin.
Are you really trying to argue that people who voted for the first black president just 4 years prior now cast their vote for Trump
because of white identity poltiics? That just doesnt make sense, no matter how we look at it.
It's fairly obvious that Trump won the Rust Belt because of his anti-Nafta, anti-free trade agenda and his promises of making the American manufacturing industries great again. That's what brought him the crucial votes in the crucial states.
The white identity politics seem to have been a zero sum game in places like Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, and a net negative for him in places like California, Arizona or Texas.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 19 2019 12:50pm