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#201
Nov 30 2019 11:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2019 08:48pm)
See my points above: gay marriage meant granting homosexual couples the same rights that heterosexual couples had. This is fundamentally different from the demands of transgender persons to be given special treatment.


What special rights are being afforded?
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Nov 30 2019 11:11pm
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You need to do some research lol. It was constantly argued that gay marriage was an attempt to get special treatment by giving them basic equal rights. Now trans people are trying to get their own basic rights and idiots like some and the gullible like you are recycling the same shitty arguments.


Which constitutional rights that cisgender people enjoy are denied from transgender people? (Not trolling btw, it's a genuine question...)

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Nov 30 2019 11:14pm
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What special rights are being afforded?


Referred to by special pronouns of the trannie's choosing. Right to enter sports competition against physically outmatched (biologically female) competitors. Access to the opposite sex's locker rooms and toilets, or an entitlement to be provided with seperate facilities.
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Nov 30 2019 11:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Nov 2019 23:52)
How were calls for gay marriage ever a call to receive special treatment?


don't bother little fella thor has been constantly arguing against some 'conservative boogeyman' on the forum for over 10 years. in that time he voted for multiple candidates (none who were conservatives) who were against gay marriage until it was politically convenient to support it, he still hasn't figured out how to feed himself without state subsidy support and apparently now he forgot how to do math (hence the election-denying)
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Nov 30 2019 11:24pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2019 11:52pm)
How were calls for gay marriage ever a call to receive special treatment?


Because gay people could marry people of the opposite sex, same as hetero people, therefore it is the exact same thing and the rights are equal. Hetero people can not marry people of the same sex, same as gay people, therefore they were equal in all ways.

Same logic at work here.

You people made the same arguments against miscegenation.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 1 2019 12:14am)
Referred to by special pronouns of the trannie's choosing. Right to enter sports competition against physically outmatched (biologically female) competitors. Access to the opposite sex's locker rooms and toilets, or an entitlement to be provided with seperate facilities.


You aren't addressed by the pronoun of your choosing? You don't get a locker room matching your gender and inner experience? And is that really putting you out too much? Believe me, you aren't that fragile.

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Dec 1 2019 12:20am
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Because gay people could marry people of the opposite sex, same as hetero people, therefore it is the exact same thing and the rights are equal. Hetero people can not marry people of the same sex, same as gay people, therefore they were equal in all ways.

Same logic at work here.


Yikes, that's some really convoluted mental gymnastics. I was not around on PaRD during those days, so if that really were the arguments of the opponents of gay marriage, then they did indeed use a very shitty argument. One that I cant condone.


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You people made the same arguments against miscegenation.


*argues against defining people by their group identity*
*argues in favor of tolerance and a fair society*

"you people..."

^_^


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You aren't addressed by the pronoun of your choosing?


I would like other people to address me with either "his royal highness" or "his intergalactic majesty". Not happening either.


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You don't get a locker room matching your gender and inner experience?


Well, at least I am not legally entitled to any of those things.
And yes, it's an inconvenience for a transgender female to use the men's bath-/lockerroom. But I think it would on the flipside also be quite an inconvenience for many cis women if they had to share their bath-/lockerrooms with biological males.


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And is that really putting you out too much? Believe me, you aren't that fragile.


Am I only allowed to argue against certain developments that I consider to be going in the wrong direction if I'm personally affected? Dont think so. Btw, lots of civil rights movements relied on the support from groups who werent personally affected by the policies and practices they were protesting against.

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Dec 1 2019 12:26am
Over the years it has seemed a lot more left here than this poll is showing
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Over the years it has seemed a lot more left here than this poll is showing


PaRD for sure leans right, especially when looking at total volume of posts. Right-wing ideologues post far more than our left-wing ideologues.
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Dec 1 2019 12:29am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 1 2019 01:20am)
Yikes, that's some really convoluted mental gymnastics. I was not around on PaRD during those days, so if that really were the arguments of the opponents of gay marriage, then they did indeed use a very shitty argument. One that I cant condone.




*argues against defining people by their group identity*
*argues in favor of tolerance and a fair society*

"you people..."

^_^




I would like other people to address me with either "his royal highness" or "his intergalactic majesty". Not happening either.




Well, at least I am not legally entitled to any of those things.
And yes, it's an inconvenience for a transgender female to use the men's bath-/lockerroom. But I think it would on the flipside also be quite an inconvenience for many cis women if they had to share their bath-/lockerrooms with biological males.




Am I only allowed to argue against certain developments that I consider to be going in the wrong direction if I'm personally affected? Dont think so. Btw, lots of civil rights movements relied on the support from groups who werent personally affected by the policies and practices they were protesting against.


You have a lot of shitty arguments tonight. Royal titles are not pronouns, and I can call the Queen of England a whore if I want, wouldn't be very classy though. We get it, you don't respect transgendered people to the point you will claim their identity is equal to something you make up.

The you people was intentional. I mean people against the expansion of basic civil rights to minorities. Simple and concretely.

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Dec 1 2019 12:48am
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PaRD for sure leans right, especially when looking at total volume of posts. Right-wing ideologues post far more than our left-wing ideologues.


d2jsp as a whole is probably heavily skewed toward a white, male, nerdy, early 20s to late 30s audience. If I remember the demographical splits from the 2016 election correctly, this particular demo (which should be predominant on this forum) leans moderately (albeit not overwhelmingly) to the right. Something like R+5 in the context of American politics.

Quote (Skinned @ 1 Dec 2019 07:29)
The you people was intentional. I mean people against the expansion of basic civil rights to minorities.


Why do you argue with political events that happened 60 years ago, long before I was even born? Why do you lump me together with unapologetic racists and bigots?

I'll still stick with my core argument that there is a fundamental difference between granting equal rights to everyone and granting special treatment to particular subgroups. Your case that this is the argument with which all kinds of bigoted opinions were justifed in the past imho isnt concinving at all.

Anyway, how convenient that the political left somehow never runs out of minorities to fight for, no matter how many rounds of the culture wars they win.

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