did you know Donald Trump wrote The Art of The Deal?

sad is again the emotional side and not the rational side and our decisions are far more emotional and irrational than we like to pretend

art of the DRUMPF more like it

This post was edited by majorblood on Nov 27 2016 09:38pm

I don't mean sad i.e. the emotion, I'm describing the situation as sad i.e. an unfortunate, suboptimal state of affairs for the well being of the country and world.

As an addict I know too well how decision making is immensely affected by impulses and emotions, but I (perhaps naively) think when it comes to more logically clear decisions (like who to vote for) I and others are capable of avoiding emotion to a significant extent.

it's not a logical and clear decision otherwise it would be something like directions from point A to B or mathematics

Unfortunately I would indeed call you naive if you think even half of voters base their decisions on logic and not emotion. IE. I hate Hillary this, Fuck Pence that etc etc.

I'd honestly be amazed if 25% of the voters in this election could tell you 5 issues either Clinton or Trump supported besides the obvious "wall" and Muslims and emails

I definitely wouldn't say half of voters. I was thinking in the single digit percentages. Just saying there are some people that do.

Like I said in another thread, I think the vast majority of people's political opinions are pseudo-aesthetic reflections of their personality, just like they way they dress, the music they listen to, the way they talk, etc. You can usually accurately guess a person's political beliefs in a short conversation with them, even if politics is completely avoided in the discussion.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Nov 27 2016 09:43pm

knowing the issues isn't even important in the decision making process

A rational decision making political process goes like this:

1. What are your values? (or more fundamentally, what ought to be valued?)
2. Which candidate/political system will best maximize those values?

Unfortunately, most people skip past step 1 altogether and go straight to trying to figure out 2, which obviously doesn't work. That is the price of not studying philosophy. They don't even realize their political opinions aren't grounded in anything .

This post was edited by Voyaging on Nov 27 2016 09:46pm

even following this system we wouldn't lead the same conclusion based on our fundamental beliefs

This post was edited by majorblood on Nov 27 2016 09:47pm

Of course not, but that may be just because we have different information. I'm not saying that process will lead to the correct conclusion, just that it will lead to the best guess with the information available if the reasoning is sound.