please address the fact that we've already establish that the air is moving to the exact speed and relative direction to the earth , and we know this because of hot air balloons that have no relative velocity. It seems to me you want it both ways, either the air is moving or its not , if the air is moving - then going in the opposite direction you would need to resist this force in an open environment.

the air is moving in the same speed and direction of the earth
the plane is moving in the same speed and direction of the earth
Are you aware of this? It absolutely shreds your argument apart, and for some reason you keep saying the same thing and refusing to look at my argument.
Also, you can have it both ways. It's called reference frames. Your failure to address this clearly demonstrates that you have no understanding of basic physics, so I wonder why you try to take on such an advanced topic?

If you pick apart my argument and explain why it is wrong, I will respect your opinion.
Until then, you are wrong, because you are not willing to consider both sides, which very strangely is what you continuously accuse others of.

I have considered both sides and repeatedly used evidence to refute your points.
Your terrible discussion techniques are getting us nowhere.
Until you address my points and either agree to them or somehow show them to be false (NOT JUST REPOSTING YOUR OPINION), I am done.


This post was edited by ringo794 on Oct 26 2016 04:04pm

here's a more concise version I decided to make up before I totally give up.
Somebody PM me if he ever manages to refute it



This post was edited by ringo794 on Oct 26 2016 04:19pm

no, an airplane can choose to travel in all 360 degrees (the earth and the air are constantly moving in the single same direction- they say its to the east in a counterclockwise direction - but it always always in the same direction.
also in your diagram change the x's to 500,000 mph and then show the airplane as exerting enough force to travel at 500mph

This post was edited by card_sultan on Oct 26 2016 04:30pm

Planes are just holographic projections in the sky, you rode in a bus with magnified windows

I hate when I'm in a car, drop something, and it immediately flies back and slams into me at 80 mph.

Great, now where getting into 9/11 conspiracies - there goes my night too!

Beams of light cant melt steel beams

Thankfully cars are closed environments, when i drop something on my magic carpet - i can kiss that item goodbye.

yup, laser conspiracy- good one.