We are better than them

No to torture and no to going after innocents

We are weaker, that's for sure.

We're playing by some arbitrary rulebook of taking the moral highground while they behead, rape, and blow up innocent people.

You can never win a war when you're bound by a ton of rules and the enemy isn't. And this is a war, whether people realize it yet or not.

e: By the way, unless the family members somehow were totally oblivious to what terrorists was planning, which is highly unlikely, they are not innocent. They knew what was going to happen and didn't report it. They aren't as guilty as the terrorist himself, but they are far from innocent.

This post was edited by EA7 on Jun 14 2016 12:30pm

It's pretty gay to try and make inroads in the Muslim community (edit: American Muslims / immigrants usually) since they're pretty well locked off.

I don't really blame them for thinking regular whiteys tend to be assholes. I went out to a bar and grill with my Somali coworkers recently and the waitstaff treated them like shit. I had to go in and manually order for everybody in the kitchen directly to the head chef since I refuse to fuck around. Nothing like some good old-fashioned passive aggression from the local honkys to figure out how to spot subtle instances of snubbery and racism.

This post was edited by general_patton on Jun 14 2016 12:39pm

Our gay bars are still full today
Our women are out there doing whatever they want
Our pot couldn't get any meltier

We are the high ground and those pussies will never stop us

Yes, we should go back to medieval logic and just beat people till they tell us what we want to hear.

Perhaps we should go back to using the witch drowning logic as well....

You telling me that if 3 people came in and kidnapped your kids or your wife, fuck, all of your family.
And one of the kidnappers sprained his ankle on the way out and you grabbed him.
You would give him a lawyer and not try to extract information from him?

Sorry - I would rip this dudes fucking fingernails off, one by one til he told me where myinnocent children are.

No to torture.??

Man WTF is wrong with people? Buncha pansies.

This post was edited by herbdoc on Jun 14 2016 01:20pm

How is this any different than a domestic case of kidnapping?

I want experts that follow a code that is not only more moral than I would be under in that situation but also effective which torture is not

You wouldn't want your kids back any more than I would so those right wing tactics of yours don't work on me

those "experts" would give the kidnapper a lwayer.

You telling me if he is withholding information you wouldn't be OK with torturing him?
Even if you knew he took your son?

you are whack.

You know that TORTURE is the ONLY reason america found Bin Laden, right?

This post was edited by herbdoc on Jun 14 2016 01:25pm

Nice false equivalency logic that only confirms your Neanderthalic thinking.

My convictions are not only applied when convenient

I also don't think it's effective