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#201
Apr 3 2013 04:57pm
Quote (brmv @ Apr 3 2013 02:05pm)
sorry, i should have known that you wouldn't understand my response without further explanation
hermeneutics indeed does look for the true meaning of the text BUT in the sense to understand what the text meant for those writing it
and not to draw spiritual conclusions out of it - or do you change your belief system whenever you read the sacred text of another religion?
to understand what the text was meant to say (potentially in a propagandistic way) is different to taken this on as your belief
scraping the text sequences for justification of your faith is not hermeneutics (but for you it is definitely part of 'the true intended meaning')


Redundant. True meaning of text is certainly what the text meant for those writing it.

When I read scripture from any religion I keep that in mind. I don't use text sequences to justify doctrine - I use scripture as the foundation for doctrine.
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Apr 3 2013 05:01pm
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Redundant.  True meaning of text is certainly what the text meant for those writing it. 

When I read scripture from any religion I keep that in mind. I don't use text sequences to justify doctrine - I use scripture as the foundation for doctrine.


please explain the difference (or at least what you see as difference)
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Apr 3 2013 05:37pm
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That is exactly what hermeneutics is.  True intended meaning.  Anything else is misinterpretation.

If you disagree then I would really really love to hear what you think the goal of hermeneutics is.

My interpreted meaning is truer to the intended meaning than your interpreted meaning. You're just misinterpreting it, obviously. After all. I've prayed about it, and God spoke directly to my heart. That's something you can't possibly contradict.
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Apr 3 2013 10:23pm
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My interpreted meaning is truer to the intended meaning than your interpreted meaning. You're just misinterpreting it, obviously. After all. I've prayed about it, and God spoke directly to my heart. That's something you can't possibly contradict.


Post-modernism at its finest.

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please explain the difference (or at least what you see as difference)


The difference is that justifying anything is a backwards process in which we deemed our existing teaching as truth. Using Scripture as foundation for doctrine is the forwards process of actually developing those doctrines from interpretation. A bit of semantics, but in no way do we use Scripture to simply "justify" our teachings like you would like to put it. We ought to come to Scriptures without assumptions and extract the doctrine from it.
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Apr 3 2013 11:51pm
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Post-modernism at its finest.
The difference is that justifying anything is a backwards process in which we deemed our existing teaching as truth.  Using Scripture as foundation for doctrine is the forwards process of actually developing those doctrines from interpretation.  A bit of semantics, but in no way do we use Scripture to simply "justify" our teachings like you would like to put it.  We ought to come to Scriptures without assumptions and extract the doctrine from it.


hearing this i have to assume that you grew up in the wilderness without any influence - is that true?
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Apr 4 2013 12:09am
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hearing this i have to assume that you grew up in the wilderness without any influence - is that true?


No, certainly I have my own bias. But when interpreting Scripture I try to leave my own presumptions at the door.
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Apr 4 2013 12:15am
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No, certainly I have my own bias.  But when interpreting Scripture I try to leave my own presumptions at the door.


how many other scriptures did you study fully after your first pass through the bible?
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Apr 4 2013 12:19am
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how many other scriptures did you study fully after your first pass through the bible?


The Old Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, but I mainly stick within the boundaries of Christian related and 1st century related texts.
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Apr 4 2013 12:30am
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The Old Testament Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, but I mainly stick within the boundaries of Christian related and 1st century related texts.


bottom line: NONE

and you claim to try to leave your presumptions behind? stop fooling yourself
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Apr 4 2013 02:12am
Quote (dajusta @ Apr 4 2013 02:02am)
Why not?


Many people have questions about The Bible. These top 10 questions are a good start.

So if I do the next series then perhaps I'd need to do the next series after that. This particular series sparked a great interest in many people. I thought I'd extend the interest online.

I don't see that...spark of interest in the next series like everybody in real life did with this one.

I could do it theoretically but how many people actually want me to do the next series?
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