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Jul 11 2012 03:46pm
hmmmm....anyone actually willing to take up ANY of these challenges? :D
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Jul 11 2012 03:47pm
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hmmmm....anyone actually willing to take up ANY of these challenges? :D


They have, you're just too dogmatic to accept them.
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Jul 11 2012 03:48pm
Quote (poulgaragr @ Jul 12 2012 09:46am)
hmmmm....anyone actually willing to take up ANY of these challenges? :D


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#4 ) there is no such thing as nothing

too bad you are forced to dodge on this one , huh ?
i havnt even pointed out that if there were such a thing as nothing , that the " you cant get something from nothing " arguement applies just as equally as to where your silly little god came from


already have
ignoring it wont make it go away
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Jul 11 2012 03:48pm
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They have, you're just too dogmatic to accept them.


lol where? stop fooling yourself, kiddo
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#205
Jul 11 2012 03:54pm
Quote (bentherdonethat @ Jul 11 2012 05:42pm)
Covered how? "God always existed so there!"

Guess what? "The universe always existed so there!"

Just as reasonable a claim but lacking one infinitely complex being that is not subject to absolutely any laws of nature.


Both are indeed possibilities (the only two as far as I can tell), but I think the crux of the theistic argument is that the universe has a contingent existence and cannot be infinite.

I'm deeply simplifying a discussion that has been going on for millennia, so...
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Jul 11 2012 05:10pm
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I've always thought of god as being an infinitely simple being.

A consciousness that exists without being in this universe while still being able to create and control every aspect of it? Sounds pretty complex to me.
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Jul 11 2012 05:45pm
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Both are indeed possibilities (the only two as far as I can tell), but I think the crux of the theistic argument is that the universe has a contingent existence and cannot be infinite.

I'm deeply simplifying a discussion that has been going on for millennia, so...


Who says that there can't be a chain of cause and effect extending throughout eternal time and infinite space?
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#208
Jul 11 2012 06:28pm
1. Qua'ran is not anymore "beautiful"then any other religious text, if we go for that standard I say the Sumerian text beats all as religion in general started there

2. What ? Seriously ? Turn over any dead animal after 4 days = your fly produced, and reproduced

3.You first buddy, i'd like to see you understand it

4."How did everything come from nothing?" is the same as asking "Egg or Chicken first ?And with either how ? As one needs the other and vice-verse" or simple terms: No one ever said something came from nothing, we said its not "intelligent design" and is as random as the weather.

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Jul 12 2012 07:03am
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1. Qua'ran is not anymore "beautiful"then any other religious text, if we go for that standard I say the Sumerian text beats all as religion in general started there

2. What ? Seriously ? Turn over any dead animal after 4 days = your fly produced, and reproduced

3.You first buddy, i'd like to see you understand it

4."How did everything come from nothing?" is the same as asking "Egg or Chicken first ?And with either how ? As one needs the other and vice-verse" or simple terms: No one ever said something came from nothing, we said its not "intelligent design" and is as random as the weather.


1: GAHAHAHAHA!!! Irrelevant, and besides, NOTHING is as beautiful as the Holy Qur'an

2: PRODUCE, ya M****!!! FFS!!!

3: Me first WHAT??? omg don't post here again. Ignored!!!

4: I already answered this, BUT SINCE YOU IGNORE IT, HERE'S THE ANSWER: ALLAH IS THE ONE AND ONLY CREATOR OF EVERYTHING!!!

CASE F****** CLOSED!!!
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#210
Jul 12 2012 07:07am
Quote (poulgaragr @ Jul 12 2012 09:03am)
1: GAHAHAHAHA!!! Irrelevant, and besides, NOTHING is as beautiful as the Holy Qur'an

2: PRODUCE, ya M****!!! FFS!!!

3: Me first WHAT??? omg don't post here again. Ignored!!!

4: I already answered this, BUT SINCE YOU IGNORE IT, HERE'S THE ANSWER:  ALLAH IS THE ONE AND ONLY CREATOR OF EVERYTHING!!!

CASE F****** CLOSED!!!


Mathew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

i understand this is about the quran, but dont muslims also hold the words of the prophet jesus sacred as well?
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