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Sep 29 2023 12:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 29 2023 01:56pm)
and then what, appeal it to an activist state supreme court, where this judge used to sit? and appeal that to a federal supreme court that moves at a glacial pace, and maybe after 2 years of irreparable damages- all designed for maximum political impact- they can get it heard?


The only question here is how much damages should be and what the consequences to his ability to run businesses should be.

His fraud is literally admitted in his own filings. So he can appeal it all he wants. It's not going to reverse the decision.
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Sep 29 2023 01:00pm
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You're taking an activists framing as factual. lol.


Your retreat is noted. Can't even acknowledge the definition of fraud. Makes sense you would.
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Sep 29 2023 01:00pm
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The only question here is how much damages should be and what the consequences to his ability to run businesses should be.

His fraud is literally admitted in his own filings. So he can appeal it all he wants. It's not going to reverse the decision.


The only fraud admitted to in the filings is the fraud committed by the judge, who knowingly disregarded the explanation before him of why Florida assessed and market values diverge, and fraudulently accused Trump of inflating an asset by 2300%.
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Sep 29 2023 01:01pm
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Lies


"I made that evaluation because I could get somebody from saudia arabia to pay for it" is an admission of a fraudulent basement for assessment.

It's really that simple. He admitted it and all you guys can do is pretend the definition of fraud doesn't exist.
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Sep 29 2023 01:04pm
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You need to go one step further back. Those loans were made *because* the ratings could be acquired. It's not like the banks made a ton of bad loans and then held them on the books until they found a ratings agency that would rubber stamp them.


that's certainly a solid point, it just leaves me asking then is it not a car jacker's fault because he knew he could get rid of it at a chop shop? i still blame the banks the most and mortgage brokers, agencies also deserve a life sentence tho. anyone with a lukewarm IQ new adj rate subprime mortgages sold to low income people was evil, they sat across from those families, the agencies shuffled faceless papers.
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Sep 29 2023 01:04pm
He's in serious trouble anyway loool


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Sep 29 2023 01:05pm
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that's certainly a solid point, it just leaves me asking then is it not a car jacker's fault because he knew he could get rid of it at a chop shop? i still blame the banks the most and mortgage brokers, agencies also deserve a life sentence tho. anyone with a lukewarm IQ new adj rate subprime mortgages sold to low income people was evil, they sat across from those families, the agencies shuffled faceless papers.


The problem with your analogy is that both a chop shop and a car jacking are illegal. Making and repackaging a mortgage are not illegal or even unethical.

The subprime mortgages given to people with low financial literacy might be illegal though. Often they didn't even speak English. But that was still far after the ratings agencies had established their willingness to rubber stamp, so it's an illegal consequence of that activity still.

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The problem with your analogy is that both a chop shop and a car jacking are illegal. Making and repackaging a mortgage are not illegal or even unethical.


im going to stop talking, we agree on 99% of this so its fruitless.

lmk if u wanna call rfk an antisemite again and maybe i can relog. in the meantime have fun arguing this judge wasnt an activist lol. this case is a god damn mess.
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Sep 29 2023 01:09pm
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im going to stop talking, we agree on 99% of this so its fruitless.

lmk if u wanna call rfk an antisemite again and maybe i can relog. in the meantime have fun arguing this judge wasnt an activist lol. this case is a god damn mess.


Thing is the judge might be activist, but the fraud was admitted in the filings. So it really doesn't matter. The best case scenario for Trump is what I've been saying up to now. That the total fraud is reduced to mere hundreds of millions, because he already admitted to the fraud in his own court filings.

RFK Jr. Might not be an antisemite, and just be an idiot copying dogwhistles he doesn't know are dog whistles. I don't really care one way or the other honestly.

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"I made that evaluation because I could get somebody from saudia arabia to pay for it" is an admission of a fraudulent basement for assessment.

It's really that simple. He admitted it and all you guys can do is pretend the definition of fraud doesn't exist.


First rule of trading, its worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. I'm happy to explain to people how their ethereal %ed / rep javas are actually just worse than eth upped titans, but if someone is willing to pay 10k fg for them, that's what they're worth.
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