The USA did successfully purge ourselves of criminal elements like the Mob. Take a look at the crime rates in big cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, etc from 1970-1990 and compare them to the crimes rates over the last 20 years. It will literally blow your mind just how much higher those rates once were.

Ignore this website, it's a completely falsified: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

I'd look at the official FBI tables.

This post was edited by Superman on Feb 25 2023 04:35pm

Or in 1976-1980 on the chart. Like i said, it's mostly out, at least atm, so no big deal.

Only few states are still doing it. Yet it's more like a political gesture. Much supported by white religious americans, you know that ?


Republican jesus is in favor of death penalty...



"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
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"Father, forgive them, for they do not know."

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 25 2023 04:43pm

Since you have a habitual need to bash Americans...

European countries are responsible for unbelievable amounts of carnage, from ancient Greece, medieval kingdoms, barbarians, pagans, the holy roman empire/crusades, the crucible for silver, two world wars, etc. No other region on the planet has the blood of billions on their hands. Asian countries may have killed the masses too, but I'm not sure even they hold a candle to the carnage of Europe. If the United States glassed Russia and every one of it's citizens off the face of the Earth; unfathomably, our kill count wouldn't even be a quarter of what Europe's is. The United States has actually improved the planet in more ways in it's brief existence than the rest of the world ever has combined.

Don't talk to me about being advanced, the rest of the world would be far less advanced if we hadn't shared our knowledge over the last 50 years. I'm not saying you guys didn't have some firsts... I.E. splitting the atom, the discovery of gravity, math, etc. However, If you take a look throughout history, you had multiple Millennia to apply your knowledge. We took that same knowledge, (thank you by the way) and applied it in ways in ways y'all could never fathom while half of y'all were committing mass genocide against the other half of y'all. Over the next 50 years, we have prevented multiple additional world wars by creating the most badass weaponry ever conceived and then we shared that technology with out allies. Our enemies stole our technology. We created Mutually Assured Destruction aka a better deterrent of global war than anyone could have ever dreamed possible.

Young country has no lessons to give

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Feb 25 2023 05:47pm

this fellow pardian thinks you haven't even done your basic research. otherwise you'd know that the death penalty has virtually NO impact on "encouraging better behaviour" / deterring crime. countries that abolished the death penalty had no increase of crimes that were previously punishable by death, and even within the US, there's no positive correlation between murder rates and death penalty use if you compare the states.

in theory i'm not opposed to capital punishment. i DO think there are crimes that are bad enough to warrant killing the criminal, but in practice it's simply not possible without also killing innocent people - and that's not something anyone should be ok with - especially not people who in the past pretended to oppose "big government"...

Lol, since Germany conquered France and occupied the french for years and declared it a German Territory, they should call your country "New France" or "The Restored Republic of France."

This post was edited by Superman on Feb 25 2023 06:00pm

France lost and won territories several times in last 1500 years. France made the existence of US possible and is the oldest ally of US.
Death penalty topic btw. Have a nice day.

Depends. I'd say I'm very rarely pro-death penalty in any context, but I feel different about it based on how it actually plays out.

Do I support the death penalty in liberal democracies like America, where mentally retarded people get executed for crimes they probably didn't even commit? No.

Do I support the death penalty in Good And Cool countries like China, where railway officials get executed for corruption? Harder to say no.

Compare these two stories:

China from 2014: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29655466

America, 5 days ago: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-train-derailment-buttigieg-pens-sharply-worded-letter/story?id=97327971#:~:text=In%20a%20sharply%20worded%2C%20three,contributed%20to%20a%20number%20of

Shouldn't the Norfolk Southern people be subject to something far more ruinous than a "sharply worded letter" from a fucking loser bread-price-fixer like Mayor Peter? Why aren't they? If not the death penalty for killing a small town and assuredly taking a collective few centuries off of people's lifespans, then what?

The problem with the death penalty is two fold. First, there needs to be a class analysis undertaken (as in all things). Which class is being subject to laws that carry the death penalty? Which class controls the courts?

Second, what is the nature of the court system? Does it accurately determine the truth of a situation? Does it create false positives often?

Western liberals pride themselves on their antagonistic court system, imagining that two teams engaging in ePiC dEbAtE will arrive at the truth. This is obviously ridiculous, money and thus class plays an enormous role. At the same time, they will disparage other systems as being kangaroo courts!

Carceral states like America that have 6 times China's prison population per capita shouldn't have the death penalty because they can't be trusted with it. China killing rail ministers and real estate barons isn't so awful to get worked up about.

Just off the cuff, I'd support Pete Buttigieg being executed for what's happening in East Palestine.

This post was edited by kusotarre1 on Feb 25 2023 06:45pm

No, the death sentence costs more, because most people appeal. The appeal process can drag on for many years. They did a study on it.

Personally, I think I am for the death penalty, but only if the criminal hasn't reproduced. If he has, then it doesn't really matter whether he's sentenced to death or merely locked up for life. His spawn is out there, carrying his criminal genes, and is likely to be the same piece of shit as him. We need to have some sort of system where we publicize the names of death row inmates' offspring, not just to shame them, but also to guide the public not to breed with them, so as to stop their shitty genetics from being passed on. In fact, this is very similar to what our ancestors had been doing for thousands of years, shaming and ostracizing criminals and their relatives. But of course, some well-meaning but stupid people will oppose this. So the end result is many generations of little criminals that could have been prevented, run free in our society.

Justice is swift or it's not just a punishment for everyone involved.. The appeals process is a people problem and should be removed.

This post was edited by Superman on Feb 25 2023 07:49pm