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Feb 23 2023 11:01am
Quote (Sioux @ Feb 23 2023 05:56pm)
No? I just told you another crime stat. Are you triggered?


I'm pretty sure that this topic is about high murder rate but change the subject and post your statistics where are they?
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Feb 23 2023 11:07am
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I'm pretty sure that this topic is about high murder rate but change the subject and post your statistics where are they?


https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-3-sex-offender-typologies

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In comparison to child sexual abusers, internet child pornography offenders reported more psychological difficulties in adulthood and fewer sexual convictions (Webb, Craissati & Keen, 2007). In this study of 90 internet offenders and 120 child sexual abusers (Webb, Craissati & Keen, 2007), internet offenders were more likely to succeed in the community (4 percent characterized as failures) and less likely to engage in sexually risky behaviors (14 percent) as compared to child abusers (29 percent and 26 percent, respectively). Formal failure was defined by reconviction, violation and return to prison. With respect to demographics, the majority of offenders are male, younger than other sexual offenders and likely to be of white European descent (Webb, Craissati & Keen, 2007; Quayle, 2008; Seto, Hanson & Babchishin, 2011; Wolak, Finkelhor & Mitchell, 2012).
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Feb 23 2023 11:08am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 23 2023 10:26am)
This is largely the counter-argument to the prevailing mainstream beliefs that looks to externalize all blame to some other group, whites, cops, system racism, whatever. How many mainstream articles do you see highlighting factual crime statistics, because literally I don't think I've seen one in many years. You don't even really see it even in mainstream 'right' publications like Fox. Meanwhile there is an endless churn of media telling how the world is unfair, how black crime is really not the perps fault, how it's all of these derivative reasons why things are the way they are.

I don't think many on the right refuse to acknowledge the socioeconomic reasons that obviously exist and at least in part lead to these shitty outcomes. What most have a problem with is this wholesale externalization shifting of the blame wholly to the one side.

During my graduate degree, i had a lot of friends from Asia, mostly India and China. We don't live too far from NYC and it was really interesting how baffled they were by their experience in the city when visiting. Being verbally assaulted by black dudes on the subway, intimidated, and in some few cases even being physically assaulted. I remember one conversation I was having with this Indian friend and he was sharing this experience of his first time in NYC. Guy was completely baffled by the abuse he experienced on the subway. Us natives can try to dissect and shift blame all we want, it won't change his visceral experience. We've been conditioned to 'explain away' particularly in universities so it's reflexive and natural for us, but when an outsider sees some of this shit you can't force how they quietly will form an opinion about certain groups after their first hand experiences. They may acknowledge some of these arguments maybe even believe them but ultimately they will instinctively not want to live in these neighborhoods or interact with these people.


I like how you will blatantly lie about the arguments being made to absolve criminal responsibility. (Because nobody actually makes that argument)

Almost like you're just really racist

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Feb 23 2023 11:11am
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I like how you will blatantly lie about the arguments being made to absolve criminal responsibility.

Almost like you're just really racist


There should never be any arguments made to absolve criminal responsibility of the perpetrator.
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Feb 23 2023 11:12am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Feb 23 2023 10:26am)
This is largely the counter-argument to the prevailing mainstream beliefs that looks to externalize all blame to some other group, whites, cops, system racism, whatever. How many mainstream articles do you see highlighting factual crime statistics, because literally I don't think I've seen one in many years. You don't even really see it even in mainstream 'right' publications like Fox. Meanwhile there is an endless churn of media telling how the world is unfair, how black crime is really not the perps fault, how it's all of these derivative reasons why things are the way they are.

I don't think many on the right refuse to acknowledge the socioeconomic reasons that obviously exist and at least in part lead to these shitty outcomes. What most have a problem with is this wholesale externalization shifting of the blame wholly to the one side.

During my graduate degree, i had a lot of friends from Asia, mostly India and China. We don't live too far from NYC and it was really interesting how baffled they were by their experience in the city when visiting. Being verbally assaulted by black dudes on the subway, intimidated, and in some few cases even being physically assaulted. I remember one conversation I was having with this Indian friend and he was sharing this experience of his first time in NYC. Guy was completely baffled by the abuse he experienced on the subway. Us natives can try to dissect and shift blame all we want, it won't change his visceral experience. We've been conditioned to 'explain away' particularly in universities so it's reflexive and natural for us, but when an outsider sees some of this shit you can't force how they quietly will form an opinion about certain groups after their first hand experiences. They may acknowledge some of these arguments maybe even believe them but ultimately they will instinctively not want to live in these neighborhoods or interact with these people.


farmers dont spend time wondering why a single plant in a field hasnt born fruit, they look for fields that have no fruit on half or more of the plants. we have fields aplenty with poor yields, yet rather than test the soil, provide more fertilizer, or see if we got bad seeds we instead ponder "maybe its the plants' fault".

for 200 years in this nation we planted seeds in sand, refused them water or manure, and then used the lack of a yield to do the same thing the next year. "partially to blame", give me a break lol.

do we hold individual black criminals responsible for their behavior? of course, the prison system is flooded with them. they're less likely to get parole and more likely to get more harsh sentencing. before and after they go in they're less likely to get a job or housing than white counterparts.

black crime statistics are so engrained in the american conscious mind that even driving into a black neighborhood gives most white people unease. its literal common sense so deeply driven into our minds that we feel unsafe just getting near. but but but but the media wont tell us to still be afraid of blacks. as in most topics these days there's no arguments about policy, it just all devolves into crying about the state of media. what someone says or does matters less than how it's covered. then crying happens because we're not told the sky is blue.

the media covers on a daily basis through appeals to CJ reform how many black men we have jailed in this nation, but you need to be told those in prison are *GASP* criminals?
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Feb 23 2023 11:18am
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farmers dont spend time wondering why a single plant in a field hasnt born fruit, they look for fields that have no fruit on half or more of the plants. we have fields aplenty with poor yields, yet rather than test the soil, provide more fertilizer, or see if we got bad seeds we instead ponder "maybe its the plants' fault".

for 200 years in this nation we planted seeds in sand, refused them water or manure, and then used the lack of a yield to do the same thing the next year. "partially to blame", give me a break lol.

do we hold individual black criminals responsible for their behavior? of course, the prison system is flooded with them. they're less likely to get parole and more likely to get more harsh sentencing. before and after they go in they're less likely to get a job or housing than white counterparts.

black crime statistics are so engrained in the american conscious mind that even driving into a black neighborhood gives most white people unease. its literal common sense so deeply driven into our minds that we feel unsafe just getting near. but but but but the media wont tell us to still be afraid of blacks. as in most topics these days there's no arguments about policy, it just all devolves into crying about the state of media. what someone says or does matters less than how it's covered. then crying happens because we're not told the sky is blue.

the media covers on a daily basis through appeals to CJ reform how many black men we have jailed in this nation, but you need to be told those in prison are *GASP* criminals?


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Feb 23 2023 11:25am
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ever wonder why an island was split into 2 nations?
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Feb 23 2023 11:26am
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Some recent statistics after the demographics has changed?
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Feb 23 2023 11:28am
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farmers dont spend time wondering why a single plant in a field hasnt born fruit, they look for fields that have no fruit on half or more of the plants. we have fields aplenty with poor yields, yet rather than test the soil, provide more fertilizer, or see if we got bad seeds we instead ponder "maybe its the plants' fault".

for 200 years in this nation we planted seeds in sand, refused them water or manure, and then used the lack of a yield to do the same thing the next year. "partially to blame", give me a break lol.

do we hold individual black criminals responsible for their behavior? of course, the prison system is flooded with them. they're less likely to get parole and more likely to get more harsh sentencing. before and after they go in they're less likely to get a job or housing than white counterparts.

black crime statistics are so engrained in the american conscious mind that even driving into a black neighborhood gives most white people unease. its literal common sense so deeply driven into our minds that we feel unsafe just getting near. but but but but the media wont tell us to still be afraid of blacks. as in most topics these days there's no arguments about policy, it just all devolves into crying about the state of media. what someone says or does matters less than how it's covered. then crying happens because we're not told the sky is blue.

the media covers on a daily basis through appeals to CJ reform how many black men we have jailed in this nation, but you need to be told those in prison are *GASP* criminals?


Your whole analogy is basically reflective of the common status quo, and once again as I've already said, externalizes everything. It makes no difference if the media highlights crime statistics to me tbh. That was the status quo in the 80s and 90s and now the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction with neither being good ways to actually solve issues. The point is to not make people afraid, the point is to have an honest and balanced conversation because honestly that's the first step to try actually address the underlying issues. Instead we're spammed with a handful of police brutality cases every now and then and programmed to think that if only this small piece is solved everything will fall into place, meanwhile ignoring the elephant in the room.
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Feb 23 2023 11:28am
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Some recent statistics after the demographics has changed?


It's not black men travelling to southeast asia to diddle kids.
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