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Feb 21 2023 12:30pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 21 2023 05:05am)
Anyone can be convicted when its put to a jury, as it is in Canada and America alike. All it takes is a prosecutor willing to play to prejudices instead of facts. And there's no shortage of innocent men in prison today because of prosecutors zealously representing their ratio
And this is of course a good thing, it means we can rid society of undesirable elements like Ali Mian who were clearly just waiting for the right moment to strike out and murder a home invader, mugger or carjacker. If we let scum like this roam our streets, they might even one day get in a shootout with a mass shooter and murder him right in broad daylight. I think its all well and good to persecute these would-be Rambos and drain their resources at trial, but what really matters is making an example of them with a successful prosecution


If Rittenhouse walked I doubt this guy gets convicted, but ive been suprised before.
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Feb 21 2023 12:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 Feb 2023 10:18)
This.

The goal of this lunacy is clearly to discourage self-defense and reeducate the recalcitrant plebs into subservient sheep who endure and don't resist the fallout of misguided government policies.


yeah right, the goal is not to err on the side of caution and discourage a wild west mentality that has served canada's southern neighbour so well on their quest to becoming a violent shithole, where every encounter with a stranger is potentially a lethal one, and where guns have become the #1 cause of child death - the goal is clearly some nefarious government plan to oppress the population - in one of the freest and most democratic nations of the world, lol. the tinfoil crowd is back in full force...

don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it wasn't justified. from the little information that's available, this could be one of the rare cases where lethal firearm use is perfectly reasonable and actually saved the day - they DO exist after all. i'm just mocking the moronic reflex to paint anything that doesn't fit your simplistic political narrative as some kind of grand conspiracy. the victim mentality is soooo strong with conservatives...
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Feb 21 2023 12:38pm
another wokie state decides to crack down on citizens instead of fighting crime

oh well, but its not suprising as canada declared war on its own people during the pandemic
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Feb 21 2023 01:15pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Feb 21 2023 12:30pm)
If Rittenhouse walked I doubt this guy gets convicted, but ive been suprised before.


Rittenhouse went on trial in Wisconsin. Kim Potter went on trial in Minnesota. And guess where Canada falls on that spectrum.
When its brought to a trial, it can always result in a conviction, not necessarily always an acquittal. Not a concern for Nikolas Cruz. But you prejudice a jury enough, lets say twelve DC residents against a January 6th defendant, and they'll convict them of blasphemy, sodomy and coin debasement if the prosecutor gets that onto the docket.

At face value we might think a case of someone defending their mother from armed home intruders in a preplanned attack under cover of night would be a cut and dry case of self defense and castle doctrine, that's the kneejerk USA speaking through us. Now take some cucked Canucks or a judge bench trial or whatever the fuck their legal system does, and have a prosecutor talking for days about how its illegal to own a gun for the purposes of self defense in Canada because if you tell the police you own it for defense in the aftermath of a shooting, you're admitting you bought it with the intention to kill someone and were living out your depraved fantasy of being given an excuse to kill someone. And that point I mean unironically, since it could actually be an incriminating statement under Canadian law as there's no right to carry a weapon for self defense. Drill that into a jury, make the defendant out to have a 'Rambo complex', play to their political biases and innate racism, you've got a conviction.
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Feb 21 2023 01:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 21 2023 01:15pm)
Rittenhouse went on trial in Wisconsin. Kim Potter went on trial in Minnesota. And guess where Canada falls on that spectrum.
When its brought to a trial, it can always result in a conviction, not necessarily always an acquittal. Not a concern for Nikolas Cruz. But you prejudice a jury enough, lets say twelve DC residents against a January 6th defendant, and they'll convict them of blasphemy, sodomy and coin debasement if the prosecutor gets that onto the docket.

At face value we might think a case of someone defending their mother from armed home intruders in a preplanned attack under cover of night would be a cut and dry case of self defense and castle doctrine, that's the kneejerk USA speaking through us. Now take some cucked Canucks or a judge bench trial or whatever the fuck their legal system does, and have a prosecutor talking for days about how its illegal to own a gun for the purposes of self defense in Canada because if you tell the police you own it for defense in the aftermath of a shooting, you're admitting you bought it with the intention to kill someone and were living out your depraved fantasy of being given an excuse to kill someone. And that point I mean unironically, since it could actually be an incriminating statement under Canadian law as there's no right to carry a weapon for self defense. Drill that into a jury, make the defendant out to have a 'Rambo complex', play to their political biases and innate racism, you've got a conviction.


no way u can convict jan 6th rioters of sodomy, they never found Pelosi.
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Feb 21 2023 02:06pm
I will put a thousand bucks on ali being a drug dealer the police have been trying to nail, the home invasion being planned to rob him of drug money and the charges being placed so they have more power to investigate him with no actual goal of the murder charge sticking.
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Feb 21 2023 02:13pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 21 2023 04:06pm)
I will put a thousand bucks on ali being a drug dealer the police have been trying to nail, the home invasion being planned to rob him of drug money and the charges being placed so they have more power to investigate him with no actual goal of the murder charge sticking.


Yup sounds about right
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Feb 21 2023 03:07pm
Quote (fender @ 21 Feb 2023 19:35)
yeah right, the goal is not to err on the side of caution

There is nothing to err here, this is an as open-and-shut a case as you can imagine.

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and discourage a wild west mentality that has served canada's southern neighbour so well on their quest to becoming a violent shithole, where every encounter with a stranger is potentially a lethal one

Any encounter with the home owner being potentially lethal for armed burglars is a good thing though...

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in one of the freest

He says about a country that froze the bank accounts of truckers who peacefully protested a questionable government policy.

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and most democratic nations of the world, lol.

Trudeau lost the popular vote in his past two elections, lmao. Weren't you the one harping on and on about Trump "only coming into office because of America's outdated and 'undemocratic' electoral system" and thus having no real legitimacy or mandate? Strange how such an "undemocratic" situation never seems to bother you when it keeps liberals in power like in Canada.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 21 2023 03:09pm
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Feb 21 2023 03:19pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 21 2023 03:07pm)
He says about a country that froze the bank accounts of truckers who peacefully protested a questionable government policy.


Martial law, proscription and seizing of estates is a time tested and perfectly cromulent means of respecting civil liberties, like Sulla's reign of peace and freedom for the Roman people.
The real mistake of Trudeau is that he only proscribed his political opponents, he should have also offered rewards to any slave or citizen that brings them harm.
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Feb 21 2023 04:04pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 21 Feb 2023 22:07)
There is nothing to err here, this is an as open-and-shut a case as you can imagine.


Any encounter with the home owner being potentially lethal for armed burglars is a good thing though...


He says about a country that froze the bank accounts of truckers who peacefully protested a questionable government policy.


Trudeau lost the popular vote in his past two elections, lmao. Weren't you the one harping on and on about Trump "only coming into office because of America's outdated and 'undemocratic' electoral system" and thus having no real legitimacy or mandate? Strange how such an "undemocratic" situation never seems to bother you when it keeps liberals in power like in Canada.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

canada: #12 - "full democracy" - 8.81 / 10
usa: #30 - "flawed democracy" - 7.85 / 10


Quote (Goomshill @ 21 Feb 2023 22:19)
Martial law, proscription and seizing of estates is a time tested and perfectly cromulent means of respecting civil liberties, like Sulla's reign of peace and freedom for the Roman people.
The real mistake of Trudeau is that he only proscribed his political opponents, he should have also offered rewards to any slave or citizen that brings them harm.


haha, remember how you lot predicted that after declaring emergency, trudeau would never rescind it again, turning canada into an authoritarian hellhole over night, quoting that dumb little milton friedman line about temporary government measures? was funny how none of you said a word about it after he ended it not even ten days later, after dealing with the weeks-long protests that shut down border crossings and effectively paralysed the canadian capital, holding the majority of its citizens, who aren't anti-vaxx karens, hostage.

you really think enough time has passed that people forgot that? that you can act like you ever had a point? think again, lol...

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/canada-trucker-protests-trudeau.html

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