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Feb 6 2023 10:09pm
Quote (MyEnemy @ Feb 7 2023 03:03pm)
Oh, I see you define what left wing is, and what right wing is. What an honest premise for discourse that is.
I will give you credit for saying one intelligent thing, you are very correct about PaRD not being for me. I don't know how I let myself get annoyed enough at the idiotic things I read to actually post now and then.


No, i did not decide those things, they had clear meanings before i was born.
The last left wing american president was FDR, the only left wing american politician i can name right now off the top of my head is bernie sanders.


Today, you and I are pledged to take further steps to reduce the lag in the purchasing power of industrial workers and to strengthen and stabilize the markets for the farmers' products. The two go hand in hand. Each depends for its effectiveness upon the other. Both working simultaneously will open new outlets for productive capital. Our nation so richly endowed with natural resources and with a capable and industrious population should be able to devise ways and means of insuring to all our able-bodied working men and women a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. A self-supporting and self-respecting democracy can plead no justification for the existence of child labor, no economic reason for chiseling workers' wages or stretching workers' hours.

Enlightened business is learning that competition ought not to cause bad social consequences, which inevitably react upon the profits of business itself. All but the hopelessly reactionary will agree that to conserve our primary resources of man power, government must have some control over maximum hours, minimum wages, the evil of child labor and the exploitation of unorganized labor.

Nearly twenty years ago in his dissenting opinion in Hammer v. Dagenhart, Mr. Justice Holmes expressed his views as to the power of the Congress to prohibit the shipment in interstate or foreign commerce of the product of the labor of children in factories below what Congress then deemed to be civilized social standards. Surely the experience of the last twenty years has only served to reinforce the wisdom and the rightness of his views. And, surely if he was right about the power of the congress over the work of children in factories, it is equally right that the Congress has the power over decent wages and hours in those same factories.

"I had thought that the propriety of the exercise of a power admitted to exist in some cases was for the consideration of Congress alone and that this Court has always disavowed the right to intrude its judgment upon questions of policy or morals. It is not for this Court to pronounce when prohibition is necessary to regulation if it ever may be necessary -- to say that it is permissible as against strong drink but not as against the product of ruined lives.”

But although Mr. Justice Holmes spoke for a minority of the Supreme Court he spoke for a majority of the American people.

One of the primary purposes of the formation of our federal union was to do away with the trade barriers between the states. To the Congress and not to the states was given the power to regulate commerce among the several states. Congress cannot interfere in local affairs but when goods pass through the channels of commerce from one state to another they become subject to the power of the Congress, and the Congress may exercise that power to recognize and protect the fundamental interests of free labor.

And so to protect the fundamental interests of free labor and a free people we propose that only goods, which have been produced under conditions, which meet the minimum standards of free labor, shall be admitted to interstate commerce. Goods produced under conditions which do not meet rudimentary standards of decency should be regarded as contraband and ought not to be allowed to pollute the channels of interstate trade.

……

Our problem is to workout in practice those labor standards which will permit the maximum but prudent employment of our human resources to bring within the reach of the average man and woman a maximum of goods and of services conducive to the fulfillment of the promise of American life.

Legislation can, I hope, be passed at this session of the Congress further to help those who toil in factory and on farm. We have promised it. We cannot stand still.



This is left wing, does this sound like joe biden to you?

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Feb 6 2023 10:11pm
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Feb 6 2023 11:53pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 6 2023 08:09pm)
No, i did not decide those things, they had clear meanings before i was born.
The last left wing american president was FDR, the only left wing american politician i can name right now off the top of my head is bernie sanders.


Today, you and I are pledged to take further steps to reduce the lag in the purchasing power of industrial workers and to strengthen and stabilize the markets for the farmers' products. The two go hand in hand. Each depends for its effectiveness upon the other. Both working simultaneously will open new outlets for productive capital. Our nation so richly endowed with natural resources and with a capable and industrious population should be able to devise ways and means of insuring to all our able-bodied working men and women a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. A self-supporting and self-respecting democracy can plead no justification for the existence of child labor, no economic reason for chiseling workers' wages or stretching workers' hours.

Enlightened business is learning that competition ought not to cause bad social consequences, which inevitably react upon the profits of business itself. All but the hopelessly reactionary will agree that to conserve our primary resources of man power, government must have some control over maximum hours, minimum wages, the evil of child labor and the exploitation of unorganized labor.

Nearly twenty years ago in his dissenting opinion in Hammer v. Dagenhart, Mr. Justice Holmes expressed his views as to the power of the Congress to prohibit the shipment in interstate or foreign commerce of the product of the labor of children in factories below what Congress then deemed to be civilized social standards. Surely the experience of the last twenty years has only served to reinforce the wisdom and the rightness of his views. And, surely if he was right about the power of the congress over the work of children in factories, it is equally right that the Congress has the power over decent wages and hours in those same factories.

"I had thought that the propriety of the exercise of a power admitted to exist in some cases was for the consideration of Congress alone and that this Court has always disavowed the right to intrude its judgment upon questions of policy or morals. It is not for this Court to pronounce when prohibition is necessary to regulation if it ever may be necessary -- to say that it is permissible as against strong drink but not as against the product of ruined lives.”

But although Mr. Justice Holmes spoke for a minority of the Supreme Court he spoke for a majority of the American people.

One of the primary purposes of the formation of our federal union was to do away with the trade barriers between the states. To the Congress and not to the states was given the power to regulate commerce among the several states. Congress cannot interfere in local affairs but when goods pass through the channels of commerce from one state to another they become subject to the power of the Congress, and the Congress may exercise that power to recognize and protect the fundamental interests of free labor.

And so to protect the fundamental interests of free labor and a free people we propose that only goods, which have been produced under conditions, which meet the minimum standards of free labor, shall be admitted to interstate commerce. Goods produced under conditions which do not meet rudimentary standards of decency should be regarded as contraband and ought not to be allowed to pollute the channels of interstate trade.

……

Our problem is to workout in practice those labor standards which will permit the maximum but prudent employment of our human resources to bring within the reach of the average man and woman a maximum of goods and of services conducive to the fulfillment of the promise of American life.

Legislation can, I hope, be passed at this session of the Congress further to help those who toil in factory and on farm. We have promised it. We cannot stand still.



This is left wing, does this sound like joe biden to you?




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Feb 7 2023 02:54am
Quote (fender @ Feb 7 2023 04:13am)
nice selective reading.

protecting big pharma's profits, climate change denial, and being anti-choice ARE most definitely "right-wing" stances.


Imagine writing this dense non-sense, while supporting the gene therapy all over the world b)

Only Heinrich Von Goebbels can make that magic

lmk rate/10 :p
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Feb 7 2023 05:13am
anti-vaxx karens triggered into oblivion again. i don't think there is a single mentally sane person in the world who actually bought the "i didn't get the covid vaccine because i disagree with big pharma's price gouging, corruption, and overall shitty business practices, particularly in america - and if you got vaccinated, you obviously agree with everything they do without ever questioning it" angle. it makes no sense whatsoever if you live in the real world, where nuance and critical thinking exist. only truly stupid people would not realise how moronic that "argument" really is, lol.

it's like saying "if you own a computer, a phone, or anything with a battery in it, if you buy or wear any items of the big sports brands, you are in favour of child labour and worker exploitation"...
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Feb 7 2023 05:29am
Quote (fender @ Feb 7 2023 05:13am)
anti-vaxx karens triggered into oblivion again. i don't think there is a single mentally sane person in the world who actually bought the "i didn't get the covid vaccine because i disagree with big pharma's price gouging, corruption, and overall shitty business practices, particularly in america - and if you got vaccinated, you obviously agree with everything they do without ever questioning it" angle. it makes no sense whatsoever if you live in the real world, where nuance and critical thinking exist. only truly stupid people would not realise how moronic that "argument" really is, lol.

it's like saying "if you own a computer, a phone, or anything with a battery in it, if you buy or wear any items of the big sports brands, you are in favour of child labour and worker exploitation"...


No one cares about any of that.
You either got jabbed or didn't.
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Feb 7 2023 08:07am
Quote (fender @ Feb 7 2023 12:13pm)
anti-vaxx karens triggered into oblivion again. i don't think there is a single mentally sane person in the world who actually bought the "i didn't get the covid vaccine because i disagree with big pharma's price gouging, corruption, and overall shitty business practices, particularly in america - and if you got vaccinated, you obviously agree with everything they do without ever questioning it" angle. it makes no sense whatsoever if you live in the real world, where nuance and critical thinking exist. only truly stupid people would not realise how moronic that "argument" really is, lol.

it's like saying "if you own a computer, a phone, or anything with a battery in it, if you buy or wear any items of the big sports brands, you are in favour of child labour and worker exploitation"...


Great argumentation mr Heinrich Von Goebbels science illiterate, def gonna order 1 liter of that spike protein when I get back home
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Feb 7 2023 09:27am
Quote (fender @ 7 Feb 2023 06:13)
anti-vaxx karens triggered into oblivion again. i don't think there is a single mentally sane person in the world who actually bought the "i didn't get the covid vaccine because i disagree with big pharma's price gouging, corruption, and overall shitty business practices, particularly in america - and if you got vaccinated, you obviously agree with everything they do without ever questioning it" angle. it makes no sense whatsoever if you live in the real world, where nuance and critical thinking exist. only truly stupid people would not realise how moronic that "argument" really is, lol.

it's like saying "if you own a computer, a phone, or anything with a battery in it, if you buy or wear any items of the big sports brands, you are in favour of child labour and worker exploitation"...


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Feb 7 2023 09:57am
$190k to a historical charity.

"Bought and paid for!"

Fake news.
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Feb 7 2023 10:07am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Feb 6 2023 06:14pm)
https://i.imgur.com/h15o7bc.jpg
How much truth is there to this, and if its true how is this not open corruption?


they certainly didnt get paid to expose the 2020 election fraud
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Feb 7 2023 10:12am
Quote (fender @ Feb 7 2023 03:13am)
anti-vaxx karens triggered into oblivion again. i don't think there is a single mentally sane person in the world who actually bought the "i didn't get the covid vaccine because i disagree with big pharma's price gouging, corruption, and overall shitty business practices, particularly in america - and if you got vaccinated, you obviously agree with everything they do without ever questioning it" angle. it makes no sense whatsoever if you live in the real world, where nuance and critical thinking exist. only truly stupid people would not realise how moronic that "argument" really is, lol.

it's like saying "if you own a computer, a phone, or anything with a battery in it, if you buy or wear any items of the big sports brands, you are in favour of child labour and worker exploitation"...


yes he has been so triggered by the vaccine that anyone on the planet that has gotten one agrees with EVERY policy he disagrees with.
I might attack any family member's who got vaccinated in their sleep. sad fam
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