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I have multiple family in their 90s One actually just turned 100
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Where does the importance of the consideration for age in this come from for you? Genuine question.


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i've been to the icu a lot when visiting my grandma. the amount of elderly people there propped up on life support was pretty surreal to see. then you have the chaplain ping ponging around helping families say the lord's prayer over their bodies

if the family or patient has consulted with a licensed physician specialized in the field, and it's looking bad, i believe there should be an option

but if the physical disease is not there, and it's more of an emotional struggle like depression and the person just wants out of this world, i don't believe there should be an option

that's just my take on it, as a rand

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This subforum has been more political than philosophical over the past several yeas, but I know there's some wicked smart and well-read people in our regulars. So:

Assisted suicide conversations/debate have largely surrounded the utility of such practices in the event of terminal illness of the body; however, I contend that from a existential lens (specifically, Albert Camus' work) that suicide is indeed the one true philosophical question within a meaningless universe/existence and that humanity should operate assisted suicide as a standard practice irrespective of whether one has a terminal illness or not (besides, the fact that we are all mortal means that existence itself is a terminal condition). People should not be forced to feel like they need to die in horrifically painful and lonely ways, and that should someone independently decide that they no longer wish to be conscious in a meaningless world, then they exercise one of the greatest arguments for free will: Nobody, and no entity, can force you to experience conscious existence. It should, of course, operate under regulation; however, laws against suicide/assisted suicide are deeply absurd in their reluctance to acknowledge that suicide/assisted suicide is neither moral nor immoral, but amoral.

Thoughts, contentions, ridicule? What say you, PaRD?


philosophically and on principle i agree 100%.

the problem i see is legal implementation and decisionmaking concerning something i assume we all consider a necessary requirement: the mental capacity to make that decision.

how should we treat mentally challenged / impaired people, alzheimer patients, clinically depressed people...? i assume your "regulation" would include some kind of professional assessment of one's mental state?

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I watched my grandpa waste away after his second stroke. He had orders not to intubate or resuscitate. He had lived for several years after grandma had passed away and didn't want to live anymore (he was 94), so he stopped taking his coumadin and naturally a stroke soon followed and he became incapable of feeding himself. He spent 8 days in hospice care before dying, suffering the entire time. We should have been able to help him end it.

OTOH, people who aren't suffering a terminal illness, but are instead mentally ill? No, I think we should help people in such situations. Help them to healthcare, support, and rehabilitation. Not help them die.
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The problem I imagine is when/if people with mental illness are persuaded to off themselves rather than take the time to treat their illness.
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surely some races deserve more assistance than others
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surely some races deserve more assistance than others


This is really what it is about.
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Several doctors have to be agree before starting the procedures, meaning that appropiate treatments will be tried before.
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