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Jan 11 2023 01:10am
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 11 2023 07:49pm)
The middle class pays the majority of the taxes in America. Considering that productivity is rapidly increasing as time goes on, we should be distributing that value back into society. I guess you’re ok with people being expected to work more, produce more, get paid the same, and then have all their costs go up? 🤡


Jesus Christ can you leftoids respond with 1 direct answer or is deflection/strawman the only way you know how to communicate? You truly believe your life hasn't improved in any way since 1930's? Productivity increases all aspects of life, all of society benefits even children in africa which saw mortality rates decrease by 58% from 1980 - 2017.

You are an obtuse willfully ignorant goblin who mascarades as some kind of woke harbinger of truth.
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Jan 11 2023 01:15am
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Jesus Christ can you leftoids respond with 1 direct answer or is deflection/strawman the only way you know how to communicate? You truly believe your life hasn't improved in any way since 1930's? Productivity increases all aspects of life, all of society benefits even children in africa which saw mortality rates decrease by 58% from 1980 - 2017.

You are an obtuse willfully ignorant goblin who mascarades as some kind of woke harbinger of truth.



Hope you cheer up one day little bud
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Jan 11 2023 01:18am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 11 2023 02:06pm)
It's a tricky thing to understand, and people mess it up all the time, but that's not at all what's happening. You are producing more (mostly!) as a result of invested capital and technological progress, not because the value of your labor has gone up. And you're not working more, you're working a lot less! The number of hours Americans work per week has gone down, not up. And with respect to federal income tax at least, the middle class certainly doesn't shoulder a majority of the burden. The rich are paying, because that's where the income is and we live in a country with progressive tax brackets.



If people are working less and the value of their labor has gone up as you claim… then why is it that today families need both parents to work to make ends meet while in the past it was much more common that a single income earner was more than enough to live comfortably? Again I’m talking about the majority of families, yes there are some families where one parent makes income in the top 5% and thats enough… but the reality is most families need both parents working good paying jobs to have the basics (mediocre house, mediocre car, two kids, one economy vacation a year, college fund, etc)
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Jan 11 2023 01:34am
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 11 2023 02:18am)
If people are working less and the value of their labor has gone up as you claim… then why is it that today families need both parents to work to make ends meet while in the past it was much more common that a single income earner was more than enough to live comfortably? Again I’m talking about the majority of families, yes there are some families where one parent makes income in the top 5% and thats enough… but the reality is most families need both parents working good paying jobs to have the basics (mediocre house, mediocre car, two kids, one economy vacation a year, college fund, etc)


In the early USSR, the Soviets generated astronomical growth within what was a very inefficient system, not because communism was any good, it stunk, but because they forcibly moved the population from low productivity farming to high productivity industry, and they didn't care if one or ten million people died.

We did something similar, albeit in a much more efficient system, by moving women out of low productivity housework and into the general workforce. That generated a lot of easy growth, and women are certainly making a lot more than they did, but as a necessary consequence we almost doubled the labor supply, and that's going to put some pressure on wages. So where you might have thought you and your wife were doubling your household income, you'll earn somewhat less than you think.

The value of labor has gone up because education has increased, and a more educated workforce is a more valuable one. But that's only one small part. A large portion of that "productivity" is the result of technology, not the value of labor, and McDonald's isn't going to pay you more just because you can make 3x the burgers in half the time if the reason you can do that is because of technology they bought and corporate practices they developed. If you bought a lawn mowing tractor, would you pay me more per hour to mow your lawn because of my enhanced productivity? Perhaps a small premium if the tractor requires expertise to use, but otherwise you'll call me a bum and pay me what you did before.
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Jan 11 2023 01:42am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 11 2023 02:34pm)
In the early USSR, the Soviets generated astronomical growth within what was a very inefficient system, not because communism was any good, it stunk, but because they forcibly moved the population from low productivity farming to high productivity industry, and they didn't care if one or ten million people died.

We did something similar, albeit in a much more efficient system, by moving women out of low productivity housework and into the general workforce. That generated a lot of easy growth, and women are certainly making a lot more than they did, but as a necessary consequence we almost doubled the labor supply, and that's going to put some pressure on wages. So where you might have thought you and your wife were doubling your household income, you'll earn somewhat less than you think.

The value of labor has gone up because education has increased, and a more educated workforce is a more valuable one. But that's only one small part. A large portion of that "productivity" is the result of technology, not the value of labor, and McDonald's isn't going to pay you more just because you can make 3x the burgers in half the time if the reason you can do that is because of technology they bought and corporate practices they developed. If you bought a lawn mowing tractor, would you pay me more per hour to mow your lawn because of my enhanced productivity? Perhaps a small premium if the tractor requires expertise to use, but otherwise you'll call me a bum and pay me what you did before.



You gave the real answer which is expected growth in productivity, the problem is that there is an expectation of growth with perpetuity. Obviously year over year unlimited growth eventually becomes unsustainable… regardless of what technological improvements there are because the number inevitably approaches infinity
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Jan 11 2023 01:54am
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 11 2023 08:15pm)
Hope you cheer up one day little bud


deflection, strawman, projection/10

Clapping leftoids has never been easier they basically hand you the rope. Your tears and anguish sustain me they cheer me up in many ways

Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 11 2023 08:42pm)
You gave the real answer which is expected growth in productivity, the problem is that there is an expectation of growth with perpetuity. Obviously year over year unlimited growth eventually becomes unsustainable… regardless of what technological improvements there are because the number inevitably approaches infinity


the entire universe expands and everything in it forever grows and productivity will forever exist unless the entire universe collapses or our world ceases to exist through some catastrophe or war. Keep them coming captain clueless

This post was edited by addone on Jan 11 2023 02:00am
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Jan 11 2023 02:08am
Quote (addone @ Jan 11 2023 02:54pm)
deflection, strawman, projection/10

Clapping leftoids has never been easier they basically hand you the rope. Your tears and anguish sustain me they cheer me up in many ways



the entire universe expands and everything in it forever grows and productivity will forever exist unless the entire universe collapses or our world ceases to exist through some catastrophe or war. Keep them coming captain clueless



You sound like a very cheerful person IRL to be honest. It’s no wonder how you come off as so friendly and kind
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Jan 11 2023 02:28am
Quote (MildSambal @ Jan 11 2023 09:08pm)
You sound like a very cheerful person IRL to be honest. It’s no wonder how you come off as so friendly and kind


turbo deflect mode activated.

Get owned hard in your own thread.
haha you are not very cheerful person irl....

5 mins later another leftoid thread Republicans are evil people here is this why (lie) to convince you we are intelligent.
Get owned hard
haha you made a spelling mistake your argument is invalid...

5 mins later another leftoid thread Trump investigation #2927
Get owned hard
Haha we were just trolling we will get him for this other thing...

Repeat.....

This post was edited by addone on Jan 11 2023 02:29am
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Jan 11 2023 02:32am
Quote (addone @ Jan 11 2023 08:54am)
deflection, strawman, projection/10

Clapping leftoids has never been easier they basically hand you the rope. Your tears and anguish sustain me they cheer me up in many ways



the entire universe expands and everything in it forever grows and productivity will forever exist unless the entire universe collapses or our world ceases to exist through some catastrophe or war. Keep them coming captain clueless


Except that the planet we live on -and its resources- aren't infinite captain obvious. In fact, our energy production has already begun to decline and so will all our economies.
Which won't be a bad thing for the avg american BMI.
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Jan 11 2023 02:38am
Quote (Kuggergug @ Jan 11 2023 03:40pm)
how do you know where they will make up the tax money? maybe they will transition government programs to the private sector and those programs will flourish. maybe they will up taxes on million dollar homes. you are just having a panic attack. take your meds, touch some grass, get a life.


Hi, guy from the future here, in australia our right wing governments have done this every time they get a chance, and every time they do it service goes into the toilet and prices rise exponentially, as well as people employed by these services losing pay and benefits which has a flow of effect.
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