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Dec 16 2022 10:36am
Not worried at all.
Japan is owned by USA.
They got no real power.
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Dec 16 2022 10:38am
Quote (Malignanttumor666 @ 17 Dec 2022 00:36)
Not worried at all.
Japan is owned by USA.
They got no real power.


Pretty much at the moment. They are semi colonized in that sense.
No proper sovereign nations will appreciate a foreign military to be based and operate in their country.
But hey , security , so... and the Japanese lost WW2 to the United States to be specific. So too bad i guess..

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Dec 16 2022 10:48am
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Not worried at all.
Japan is owned by USA.
They got no real power.


This is a false view that can arrange pro-china & related propagandists.

Japan is advanced and has its very own hard culture & "political" system core: anytime it can change sides, quickly and brutally, but have absolutely no interest in doing it.
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Dec 16 2022 10:49am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 16 2022 10:35am)
If you know anything about East Asians, they are going to copy some of the stuff and start making their own.
The only issue here is how much is the American Government going to allow the Japanese to re arm and produce their own.

If anyone is going to think that the Japanese do not have the capability of producing advance weapons or nukes they might be a little out of touch.
The Taiwanese had a nuclear bomb program in the 70s and were about to build a working one until the American Government stopped them and took away everything.

Now when you think about this. How do you think the general Japanese public or some of their politicians will feel?
You re arm from the weapons that you buy from the United States to act as the first line of defense in the event of a US-China military conflict .

These are very intricate issue which might also refer to your don't trust China and Trust USA more situation.


both pre and post arming up they were the first line of defense. this doesnt change that aspect.

in any case there's little to no risk of a US vs China literal war. or at least not without SERIOUS escalation beforehand. full embargos, UN sanctions, etc. the 3 nations china, japan and US are too intertwined for an actual war.

even this move by japan doesnt signal war, its posturing to try and change the dynamics in south china sea and taiwan. or at least i hope im not wrong.
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Dec 16 2022 10:53am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Dec 16 2022 11:22am)
Japan will never trust the Chinese nor the Koreans and Vice Versa. But that doesn't mean they will not take a pragmatic approach.
If shit happens in the area and war happens things will be devastating. USA is too far away and too powerful at the moment to suffer from those casualties.

Therefore I have said before , if Japan's military rise again and the security issue is being rectified. It will be a problem for the United States. Because the US will slowly lose her influence in the Area.
Put it this way, the Japanese have a superiority complex and they are not afraid of anyone in the East. They have proven it once and they can prove it again. They are very advanced and they have a very strong sense of culture.

Similar to the India and China situation, at best for now they will just throw stones and beat each other with sticks. A few personnel will get killed in the process but it will not escalate to an all out war. And the Indians hate the Chinese and vice versa very much as well.


Not rectified, though, because Japan cannot prevent China from taking Taiwan. A China with Taiwan is a China that can choke Japanese trade. Taiwan falling to the Chinese is an existential threat to Japan. Japan therefore must increase its own spending, and draw closer to the United States in order to resist Chinese revanchism.
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Dec 16 2022 10:58am
Quote (thesnipa @ 17 Dec 2022 00:49)
both pre and post arming up they were the first line of defense. this doesnt change that aspect.

in any case there's little to no risk of a US vs China literal war. or at least not without SERIOUS escalation beforehand. full embargos, UN sanctions, etc. the 3 nations china, japan and US are too intertwined for an actual war.

even this move by japan doesnt signal war, its posturing to try and change the dynamics in south china sea and taiwan. or at least i hope im not wrong.


Well, to be honest there isn't a threat at least from my superficial understanding between China and Japan.
I don't think there is much resources in Japan that China needs, vice versa the reason for the Japanese invasion of East and South East Asia during WW2 is because the Japanese needs those resources.

On the other hand, Russia might be a threat to the Japanese, since they didn't officially sign a peace treaty after WW2 due to the disputed Kurill islands.

On the Chinese side, the Senkaku Islands are being claimed by the Japanese , the Chinese and the Taiwanese.

I call for the Chinese possible invasion or reunification of Taiwan around 2030.
You are right , there will not be a US Vs China literal war, but there will be proxy wars like the Ukraine / Russia situation.
The Chinese are doing deep learning in the current Russo-Ukraine war.

The Chinese and US are also trying to decouple from one another as much as possible, once they can reach around 60%. Taiwan will be up for reunification.

I think .
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 16 2022 11:49am)
both pre and post arming up they were the first line of defense. this doesnt change that aspect.

in any case there's little to no risk of a US vs China literal war. or at least not without SERIOUS escalation beforehand. full embargos, UN sanctions, etc. the 3 nations china, japan and US are too intertwined for an actual war.

even this move by japan doesnt signal war, its posturing to try and change the dynamics in south china sea and taiwan. or at least i hope im not wrong.


There are some parallels to the July Crisis in 1914. The United States and Japan are entangled in an alliance. If Japan moves to defend Taiwan, the United States must act or risk losing the bulk of its presence in East Asia. There is a risk that China will miscalculate, and invade Taiwan believing that Japan and the United States will back down, just as Russia believed that they could mobilize against Austria-Hungary and Germany wouldn't respond. Japan is trying to make China understand that Taiwan is core to Japanese security interests, and that they will drag the United States into a larger war if those interests are threatened. I think it's a good development that should lower the risk of war in the long-term.

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Not rectified, though, because Japan cannot prevent China from taking Taiwan. A China with Taiwan is a China that can choke Japanese trade. Taiwan falling to the Chinese is an existential threat to Japan. Japan therefore must increase its own spending, and draw closer to the United States in order to resist Chinese revanchism.


You are absolutely right on this. A reunified Taiwan and China will prove to be the biggest threat to both Japan and USA.
The Koreans will be laughing though.
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Dec 16 2022 11:26am
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This is a false view that can arrange pro-china & related propagandists.

Japan is advanced and has its very own hard culture & "political" system core: anytime it can change sides, quickly and brutally, but have absolutely no interest in doing it.


Not a false view. What I said is the reality. You may not like it, but that doesn’t change anything.
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Dec 16 2022 11:31am
Quote (Malignanttumor666 @ 16 Dec 2022 18:26)
Not a false view. What I said is the reality. You may not like it, but that doesn’t change anything.


More like you had zero argument.
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