Nah, there have been people who, because of their own testimony and/or writings, have shared that there was intention to target someone because they were perceived to be part of an actual group.

YES. In the so rare I've not heard of it... case where a gunman had a group of mixed races and ONLY shot the white people... that could be construed as a hate crime.

I don't think we're in disagreement then.

You can use admission in a court of law, but it's not really "proof". The charged could be lying, to grab optics or some stupid shyt.

Yeah we are. In 66 years I've never heard of a crime like that.


Before, say... the 50's or 60's... maybe. But that's 60 years ago... now.

This post was edited by Ghot on Dec 9 2022 08:00pm

How will you be able to prove that someone killed a black person because he was black though. I mean it's possible that he yelled "n*gger" as he killed the victim, but not all cases are open and shut like this. I think it would be very difficult for a prosecutor to prove a racist intent. Most modern day Americans are very acutely aware of the pitfalls of being considered a racist and they will try hard to avoid it.

With regular murder cases, it is less difficult to prove premeditation. For example, if someone bought poison and then put it in food to kill someone. Or if someone purchased a gun, and then brought it to the place where he killed the victim. But proving racist intent is much much more difficult, imo.



The implication of this is that anytime someone got murdered, we have to investigate to see whether it's a hate crime, and whether he/she was targeted because of their race. Doesn't sound like a good way to approach a problem.

There's plenty of case examples:


https://www.kgw.com/article/news/crime/eastern-oregon-hate-crime-sentencing/283-beaf0a0d-7d0a-4f0f-88f5-bdc5ca290f6c

See my reply to Ghot in post #27.

This case is easy because the killer admitted to being a racist. But not all cases are like this, in fact, I bet most racially motivated killers will be very careful and try not to appear racist because they know the sentencing would be harsher.

Correct.