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Nov 30 2022 02:58pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2022 03:40pm)
That's of course correct, but has nothing to do with the major oil states in the region like saucy insinuated. ;)
Also, it's not like Israel needs US funding to be able to pull off such operations. Maybe technology, but not funding.


they can both afford and figure out bulldozers without us.

our greatest contribution to their war is propaganda statements repeated ad nauseum like "every country should be allowed to defend themselves from attacks" in response to them killing thousands of people after bottle rockets were fired for months on end resulting in 1 house being destroyed.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2022 09:40pm)
That's of course correct, but has nothing to do with the major oil states in the region like saucy insinuated. ;)
Also, it's not like Israel needs US funding to be able to pull off such operations. Maybe technology, but not funding.


Iran and Iraq are major oil states in the region ;)

Oil is the #1 reason why Western powers are messing with the Middle East

Israel "not needing" the funding means nothing. The US is just making double sure Israel dominates the region for the above mentioned reason.

Why do you think the US was involved in the Iran Iraq war hmm? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/lessons-from-americas-first-war-with-iran/#:~:text=America%20had%20no%20natural%20partners,choice%20but%20to%20support%20Iraq.

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America had no natural partners in the Iran-Iraq War, but its interests dictated that the United States allow neither Saddam nor Khomeini to dominate the region and the world’s energy supply. For most of the war, it was Iran that appeared on the verge of victory, so Washington had little choice but to support Iraq.


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they can both afford and figure out bulldozers without us.

our greatest contribution to their war is propaganda statements repeated ad nauseum like "every country should be allowed to defend themselves from attacks" in response to them killing thousands of people after bottle rockets were fired for months on end resulting in 1 house being destroyed.


I was talking about airstrikes against terrorists in Syria or Lebanon, or commando operations against nuclear facilities in Iran, not about what they're doing to the Palestinians. For these operations, they might need modern military technology from the US, but surely not their funding.
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Nov 30 2022 03:12pm
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Iran and Iraq are major oil states in the region ;)

Oil is the #1 reason why Western powers are messing with the Middle East

Israel "not needing" the funding means nothing. The US is just making double sure Israel dominates the region for the above mentioned reason.

Why do you think the US was involved in the Iran Iraq war hmm? https://www.brookings.edu/articles/lessons-from-americas-first-war-with-iran/#:~:text=America%20had%20no%20natural%20partners,choice%20but%20to%20support%20Iraq.


how exactly is Israel "dominating the region"? please define what you mean.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2022 04:09pm)
I was talking about airstrikes against terrorists in Syria or Lebanon, or commando operations against nuclear facilities in Iran, not about what they're doing to the Palestinians. For these operations, they might need modern military technology from the US, but surely not their funding.


20 or surely 50 years ago i think this was entirely true. but its not as if Hamas has been gifted blackhawk helicopters or tactical nukes. Israel now does employ a lot more drone strikes tho, so on that aspect it's still true in a way. im not knowledgeable enough on drone systems to know how proprietary they are, as in how likely it would be that Israel could have figured them out without us.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 30 2022 04:09pm)
I was talking about airstrikes against terrorists in Syria or Lebanon, or commando operations against nuclear facilities in Iran, not about what they're doing to the Palestinians. For these operations, they might need modern military technology from the US, but surely not their funding.



You’d think they could get the technology themselves after ~40 years of constant funding.
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Nov 30 2022 03:14pm
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how exactly is Israel "dominating the region"? please define what you mean.


I posted examples above already. I thought this was well known stuff

you should check it

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Nov 30 2022 03:20pm
israel is liek ukranian, without help of other country there are nothing. this is just the truth.
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israel is liek ukranian, without help of other country there are nothing. this is just the truth.


Israel is not like Ukraine

But Russia/Ukraine is going to be like Israel/Palestine in the sense that it's going to be a never ending conflict
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Nov 30 2022 03:28pm
Quote (Djunior @ Nov 30 2022 04:14pm)
I posted examples above already. I thought this was well known stuff

you should check it


i think it's more accurate to refer to them as an "anti iranian force in the region" than "dominating the region". they don't dominate 90% of the region, and in fact work with all of the other anti-Iranian members of the middle east.
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Nov 30 2022 03:29pm
Quote (Djunior @ Nov 30 2022 10:23pm)
Israel is not like Ukraine

But Russia/Ukraine is going to be like Israel/Palestine in the sense that it's going to be a never ending conflict


explain why it isnt the same?

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