Quote (Ironfister @ 27 Nov 2022 00:25)

Yes I do believe there is good and evil in this world.
Hitler was bad guy, and nazism was just wrong and evil.
Putin is a bad guy, and russism is just wrong and evil.
I understand you aint European, and so maybe you dont remember how nazism used to occupy nearly whole Europe.
Then there was a cold war, where half of Europe was under soviet occupation.
All polish patriots were just tortured and killed by soviets.
How could possible be that "not really an evil thing"?
How can occupying people, raping them, murdering them, robbing them, having them work and die in concentration camp could be 'not really an evil thing, just geopolitics"?
How could holocaust be considered "oh, its just normal politics, move on".
In the cold war if there was a protest, soviets took their tanks out and killed or imprisoned the protesters.
It was only 30 years ago. Putin and his people grow up in Soviet Russia, they are soviets, even if the country name is different.
There are people in the world who want to be legends. Who want their place in history, a status of a semigod.
NATO is a defensive alliance, while Russia is an imperialistic empire. I dont know what is a plan for Russia, how many countries they want to conquer. I can imagine they will probably stop at French border, as France has nukes.
You are an Asian person, you are used to live in a dictatorship.
I dont really say all dictatorship is very wrong, sometimes when the dictator is all right its fine. This is the case for Singapore.
But the problems start when he isn't, like in Russia, and you cant really change him.
The Russian's cant change Putin, not to mention Putin controls 95% media and only the smartest people have access to high quality information.

Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 26 2022 01:02pm)

Some people were fine with slavery, with one person owning another one.
People in the past were selling other people in the markets, like they were animals or goods.
Is it really propaganda to believe it is evil, wrong?
The guy who is stronger has a right to own another one?
Just because he is stronger?
And why do you tell me to listen to people who want to enslave others?

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 26 Nov 2022 19:53)

People in the present are doing the same thing, do you think slavery is over? Since you care so much you should be aware of that no? Libya ring any bells?

Understanding why someone is doing something is not supporting it....if you chalk it up to "that side bad, this side good" you are no different than the ignorant peasants the church use to rile up to go murder people in the middle east.

Willful ignorance is an embarrassment to humanity, you should really work on that.

Quote (Ironfister @ Nov 26 2022 05:31pm)

One does not typically ask murderer why he murders. Its not important to me. So a murderer says: "i wanted to rape that woman" or "i was jelaus my neighbour is richer than me" or "he is black and I hate black people"?
Really, what difference does that make? All these things are really bad and not an excuse at all.

Reasons that Hitler went to war:
-he wanted to kill all jews and other nations to clear the race.
-he wanted Germany to rule all Europe and other continents.
-he wanted to be the big Boss of the world.
So here is the list, but its unimportant. These do not excuse him in any way.
For Russia its similar reasons. Maybe slightly different, but not much.

I know that Russia is not the only evil country in the world, but its the closest threat to civilized Europe.
I live in Europe, I dont really know a lot about Libya or other 3rd world countries. But if I remember correctly Russia is also a part of the problem there in Libya. They want to encircle European NATO by taking control od Africa coast.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 27 Nov 2022 06:12)

Knowing why people do bad things is a good way to prevent it, it's a pretty simple concept. It's not about excuses. Do you think just waiting for bad things to happen and then punishing the bad people is the only way to solve problems?

That is the most uneducated, childlike view of ww2 and its causes that I've ever read, you really need to read up on the history of your own continent, that is embarrassing.

Living in Europe doesn't restrict you from learning about the rest of the world...

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 26 2022 06:41pm)

He failed when he told me that since I m not European I have no idea of Nazi occupation and cold war and I have no idea of what cold war is.
He thinks his country is like some victim when such things happened on a global scale.

What the Japanese did to the Koreans and Chinese were so bad that the Nazis attached to the Japanese in the pacific theater sent a telegram to Hitler to ask him to stop the Japanese from doing whatever they were doing.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 27 Nov 2022 07:00)

Yeah he doesn't seem educated on the history of his own continent so I doubt he knows much about any other. Depressing that people have access to the internet and willingly remain ignorant to the rest of the world.

I've never heard that about the nazi telegram, that's interesting, I knew a lot of atrocities were committed there but it's surprising to hear the Germans thought it was too far

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 26 Nov 2022 23:12)

Knowing why people do bad things is a good way to prevent it, it's a pretty simple concept. It's not about excuses. Do you think just waiting for bad things to happen and then punishing the bad people is the only way to solve problems?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ Nov 26 2022 07:12pm)

This is just one of the many.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe