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Nov 16 2022 06:12am
this situation will be probably be similar to Nord stream

Investigation will be over, they know who did it ,but it will sensitive and cannot be revealed and will be swept under the rug just like Nord stream.
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Nov 16 2022 06:13am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 16 2022 07:12am)
Zelensky is probably the most admirable world leader today.


Big Yikes,.. He's a half pint, war mongering twerp.
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Nov 16 2022 06:14am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 16 2022 05:42am)
The reporting is that Ukraine was firing at a Russian missile to take it out and the Ukrainian missile ended up in Poland.

Bad that Ukraine is lying about what happened.

Good that Russia didn't deliberately try to start WW3.

Not sure how this changes anything going forward. Ukraine exists, Putin and his enablers are just going to have to get over it.

Edited the first sentence in.


But the next few questions should be 'where was that missile fired from, and how did it wind up in poland'?
The village it hit is some 30 miles away from the nearest city targeted by Russia, and the missiles fired by Russia came from the east. What kind of path was this S300 supposed to be on, was it flying backwards?
Is this indicative of Ukraine trying to shelter their weaponry right on the border? Where it could be secretly manned by NATO operators?


Ukraine's propaganda has gotten so low effort they just reflexively lie about everything. At least the Nazis during WW2 and Soviets in the Cold War understood the best propaganda is when you broadcast the inconvenient truths the enemies don't want you to know about, the real combat losses they want to cover up, their mishaps. Ukrainians just blindly claim to shoot down 40 missiles per day, kill 10,000 more Russians and deploy 5000 additional troops each equipped with a personal HIMARS and wielding 12 inch black cocks. Maybe Russian propaganda is also just as bad these days, but we wouldn't know because of the enlightened western world strangling free speech and flooding the internet with their bots. The information blackout makes it pretty hard to judge what is actually going on in Ukraine, this I guess is just one consequence of the international media losing all credibility and pretense of integrity in the past decade.
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Nov 16 2022 06:17am
here we go again

the PUTIN REEEEEEEEEE brigade isnt getting their world war 3, too bad guys ^_^

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Nov 16 2022 06:19am
Quote (Mondain @ Nov 16 2022 07:13am)
Big Yikes,.. He's a half pint, war mongering twerp.


I think focusing on height is comically superficial and evidence we're in an argument from high school, but Putin is the same height as Zelensky, lol.

Zelensky's nation was attacked without provocation by it's neighbor. This neighbor is a historical world power with the most nuclear weapons in the world. Calling the victim in this situation(Ukraine/Zelensky) a war-monger is absurd to the point of trolling.
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Nov 16 2022 06:21am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 16 2022 07:19am)
I think focusing on height is comically superficial and evidence we're in an argument from high school, but Putin is the same height as Zelensky, lol.

Zelensky's nation was attacked without provocation by it's neighbor. This neighbor is a historical world power with the most nuclear weapons in the world. Calling the victim in this situation(Ukraine/Zelensky) a war-monger is absurd to the point of trolling.


So You agree it's acceptable for Zelenskyy to lie to the world.

Quote (IceMage @ Nov 16 2022 07:12am)
Zelensky is probably the most admirable world leader today.


Ladies and Gentlemen we have found the most gullible user in pard.
Which isn't even a personal attack, I'm just talking about the facts.

This post was edited by Mondain on Nov 16 2022 06:21am
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Quote (IceMage @ 16 Nov 2022 20:19)
I think focusing on height is comically superficial and evidence we're in an argument from high school, but Putin is the same height as Zelensky, lol.

Zelensky's nation was attacked without provocation by it's neighbor. This neighbor is a historical world power with the most nuclear weapons in the world. Calling the victim in this situation(Ukraine/Zelensky) a war-monger is absurd to the point of trolling.


What if I say that the people who are enabling and creating this war are the same guys who got Malcom X killed :o
Conspiracy theories......... ^_^
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Nov 16 2022 06:23am
One can be skeptical of Ukrainian propaganda and also not support Putin.
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Nov 16 2022 06:25am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 16 2022 07:12am)
Zelensky is probably the most admirable world leader today. America elected a television star and it was a disaster, Ukraine tried it and got a man who rose to the moment and became a worldwide legend.

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Assuming the Polish deaths were caused by a Ukrainian launched missile, with the intent to intercept a Russian missile, and Zelensky knew he was lying when he said it was Russia:

His country is engaged in an existential fight for it's life so him knowingly lying about an accident to garner more anti-Russian sentiment is not some deal breaker. He shouldn't do it, it's dangerous for him to do that, but it's the sort of manipulative, desperate move that is not surprising for someone in his position to do.


Trying to provoke WW3 by lying about an attack from Russia isn’t a deal-breaker?
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Nov 16 2022 06:31am
Quote (Thebarba @ 16 Nov 2022 20:23)
One can be skeptical of Ukrainian propaganda and also not support Putin.


One can call Zelensky a puppet clown and Putin a corrupted asshole at the same time.
I find it reasonable.
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