I don't think that the situation will be THAT bad tbh (at least not for us). Some European govs/countries are smart enough or not plain out retarded/ on suicide watch and are buying gas from international market at high af prices under any circumstances to ensure sufficient resources for winter. I think that way dangerous problems for our country can be averted. It may lead to problems in poorer asian countries tho, which obviously sucks for them. But that's how capitalism and free market works.

Tbh that's one smart move of our government does and all the seething "B-BUT MUH EUROPEAN SOLIDARITY"-tears will be even more tasty in a cozy warm home in the middle of Europe.

Sorry I meant for Ukraine, they are already having the rolling blackouts and stuff, and Russia is specifically targeting their energy infrastructure. I imagine you are right about Europe, things will be more costly and all that but I don't foresee people freezing there.

Standard of Living by Country | Quality of Life by Country 2022 -
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/standard-of-living-by-country

Just quickly scanning, there is not a single European country below Russia in living standards. Russia is a third-rate country with natural resources and a cold war era military.
Europeans aren't going to be broken by a cold winter. Your kidding yourself if you believe they will.

If more Russians had stood up for themselves against Putin's autocracy. Perhaps they would have a better chance of competing with other developed nations.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 3 2022 01:05pm

Sounds like everything will be fine, then!

Those standard of life stats are directly tied to the economies of those countries though, if someone's energy bill jumps 100% don't you think that will affect their standard of life?

Also, according to EU surveys the public opinion towards staying engaged seems to be on a downward trend, as well as mounting concerns over economic issues, so while they may not break, they are democracies and if their people become unhappy enough they will vote in new leadership. Don't places like France take to the streets if their gas goes up a bit? How much inconvenience will they put up with in the name of Ukrainian sovereignty?

And Russia seems to be competing quite well considering all the rich and powerful nations arrayed against it can't seem to stop it despite using any means available to them.

The income per habitant raised like x20 since Putin came at command, but nice attempt anyways chump

Absolutely agree. 100% there will be a tipping point in public opinion. It will not be this winter, as Putin hopes it will be.

The cost of living is increasing across western Europe due to multiple factors. That is undisputable. The point I was making before is, European living standards are a factor higher than Russian living standards. Before the Ukraine invasion.
They are much better placed to absorb a decrease in standards. I can't think of good analogy. Perhaps like starting a 100m race with a 20m headstart. Although this will certainly play out more like marathon.

Yeah they are doing great bud. Lets say even 15,000 casualties into a 3 day special operation.

Also a terrible argument, its not difficult to improve from the trash can fire that was post-soviet Russia.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Nov 3 2022 02:21pm

Had this crop up in the other thread, but the BBC did an investigation of Russian deaths, monitoring social media and even visiting a bunch of graveyards to look for "unpublished" deaths, and ended up, embarrassingly, corroborating Russia's official numbers of dead.

Yeah personally I am of the opinion that the EU will be able to last out the winter, prices will go up but I think generally things will be ok, but that may not matter much if Ukraine has to go to the negotiating table due to lack of fuel. It could be US/EU has a plan to supply them over the winter but I just don't know what type of infrastructure exists to transport it there. I've read articles that fuel shortages have already caused Ukraine to pull back a lot of it's armor and have been using technicals in some engagements, which doesn't bode well for the winter.