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Oct 22 2022 03:18pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 22 2022 02:14pm)
As of the 1990s that is absolutely the case. We are so far beyond questioning whether anthropomorphic climate change is happening that it's comical. we have internal memos and models from Exxon in the 1970s almost perfectly modeling anthropomorphic climate change out to the 2000 so they could predict shipping lane changes.


There is no way to prove that climate change is caused by man. You can only speculate. And I don't care how many scientists are on it.

Have you forgotten what you learned in science classes in university? What you are bandying about is not proof/evidence. It's just a huge hypothesis.
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Oct 22 2022 03:21pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 22 2022 04:15pm)
You're engaging in circular logic. Today, the necessary technological solutions to decarbonize our society without losing significant living standard clearly do not exist yet. Your argument basically is that these technological solutions would already be available today if we hadn't stalled on the research at the behest of fossil companies. But if that was the case, then investing into the corresponding R&D now would mean that the technological solutions which bail us out of our predicament would arrive in 20-30 years - and thus that super-radical climate action is not necessary.

On the other hand, if such technological solutions are fundamentally impossible, then the "sacrifice and restrictions"-approach that the climate activists are demanding at the moment would be inevitable in the long run.


We have most of the technologies already. Public electric transport infrastructure with renewables and nuclear would be the largest and easiest way to drastically reduce emissions. Reforestation and reclaiming wetlands are ridiculously effective carbon sinks.

Technofuturists would have you believe we all need to drive electric cars to save the world and we just need to invest in that. But the fact is that the vast majority of technology to go green exists today.
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Oct 22 2022 03:25pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 22 Oct 2022 23:06)
Still solving this problem isn't as complicated as people think it is. This period building out public infrastructure on electric lines For mass transit powered by nuclear plants For base load and wind solar and geothermal for excess load Along with mass reclamation of wetlands and forests rests because they are the most efficient methods of carbon capture and the problem is basically solved.

The problem is this is a pretty expensive order and people like their cars like their cars. The solution isn't complicated but it does require implementation on a global scale and nobody wants to do it without a guarantee that everyone else will also do it


If you think decarbonizing electricity generation and cars was the only hurdle to overcome, you are myopic. Heating, industrial processes, food, steel and concrete production - all those things come with huge amounts of carbon emissions too.

Also, we've already had this debate in the past. Global uranium reserves would be depleted within 20 years if the whole world went to nuclear. It is an important bridge technology, but it is not a viable long-term solution at global scale. Likewise, the global reserves of rare earths would not be sufficient to supply the whole world with electric cars. And that's not even talking about the rare earths which go into solar panels and wind turbines. And last but not least, the problem of storing excess generation from renewables at the necessary scale is still not solved. Without storages for renewable energy, the base load power plants would have to supply close to 100% of the energy demand during windless winter weeks. Good luck doing that without coal and gas.
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Oct 22 2022 03:33pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 22 2022 04:25pm)
If you think decarbonizing electricity generation and cars was the only hurdle to overcome, you are myopic. Heating, industrial processes, food, steel and concrete production - all those things come with huge amounts of carbon emissions too.

Also, we've already had this debate in the past. Global uranium reserves would be depleted within 20 years if the whole world went to nuclear. It is an important bridge technology, but it is not a viable long-term solution at global scale. Likewise, the global reserves of rare earths would not be sufficient to supply the whole world with electric cars. And that's not even talking about the rare earths which go into solar panels and wind turbines. And last but not least, the problem of storing excess generation from renewables at the necessary scale is still not solved. Without storages for renewable energy, the base load power plants would have to supply close to 100% of the energy demand during windless winter weeks. Good luck doing that without coal and gas.


And I pointed out that the reserves are not a meaningful indication because we have quite frankly never engaged in an economy dependent mining effort the way we have with coal and oil.

Uranium is incredibly abundant. You can get more of it. Reserves are not stagnant. Just the minor exploration we do now has increased them 25% in the past 10 years. Just precipitating it from seawater is a viable option after the easy stuff is gone. The bridge is massively more abundant than 20 years. That's an incredibly low estimate. There's likely at least an order of magnitude still accessible.

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Oct 22 2022 03:39pm
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And I pointed out that the reserves are not a meaningful indication because we have quite frankly never engaged in an economy dependent mining effort the way we have with coal and oil.

Uranium is incredibly abundant. You can get more of it. Reserves are not stagnant. Just the minor exploration we do now has increased them 25% in the past 10 years. Just precipitating it from seawater is a viable option after the easy stuff is gone.


Construction and maintenance and repair and replacement all have massive carbon footprints, as does consumption even in a society with the benefit of all those mitigation efforts. Putting up windmills and building reactors and dams and solar arrays, its all huge amounts of steel and concrete. And even then, global warming is one of the smaller and less direct consequences of overpopulation, when deforestation and biodiversity loss was already in full swing before we even started burning fossil fuels en masse. None of these mitigation efforts can scale down our consumption at a rate higher than the inverse proportion of our population growth.
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Oct 22 2022 06:45pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Oct 22 2022 09:38am)
Traffic jams happen all the time. You can hardly blame the protesters for an accident like that.

Honestly we are heading to a doomsday scenario with global warming with no signs of stopping. This is a pretty minor inconvenience compared to what's going to happen.


it's called "climate change" now
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Oct 22 2022 09:55pm
Quote (itsmattlol @ Oct 22 2022 07:45pm)
it's called "climate change" now


"Climate change"?
There are about 1,500 volcanos on earth.
Every single day about 50 of them are erupting.
These daily active volcanos put out about 500 to 1,000 times more C02 every day than all of humanity has put out for our entire existence!
Now go look up "Photosynthesis" and see for yourself that C02 is NOT a pollutant, it is one of the three most essential elements for life, especially the plant life on this planet.
No C02, no plants.
No plants giving off oxygen, no animals and humans.
No plants, animals and humans = dead lifeless planet.
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Oct 22 2022 10:02pm
Quote (sirthom @ Oct 22 2022 08:55pm)
"Climate change"?
There are about 1,500 volcanos on earth.
Every single day about 50 of them are erupting.
These daily active volcanos put out about 500 to 1,000 times more C02 every day than all of humanity has put out for our entire existence!
Now go look up "Photosynthesis" and see for yourself that C02 is NOT a pollutant, it is one of the three most essential elements for life, especially the plant life on this planet.
No C02, no plants.
No plants giving off oxygen, no animals and humans.
No plants, animals and humans = dead lifeless planet.


https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-volcanoes-co2/fact-check-volcanoes-do-not-produce-more-co2-emissions-than-human-activity-idUSL1N2XV1HA
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Oct 23 2022 09:15am
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That’s fucked up

Western white liberals who really never faced any sort of hardship growing up in their middle-upper cloisters that do this type of shit are cancerous to our societies.

Also we’ve seen more than enough of these harassing blocking of traffic protests. Laws need to catch up. The penalties should be raised. If you purposely block traffic as a form of protest = automatic 6 months in jail.


No, it's called free speech. Your right to assembly is in the constitution. You can't just punish people who say things you don't like. What are you a leftist? Please stop being such a snowflake you make us right wingers look like pussy
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