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Oct 8 2022 06:06pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Oct 9 2022 12:49pm)
I remember the story when it first happened, I totally understand how it works on set.

You are literally comparing making a sandwich that a kid chokes on to pointing a loaded gun at a woman, shooting and killing her.

But mine is a “simp take”.

Anybody who has ever used a firearm knows he first thing you do is check for live rounds. I carry a gun in my fucking pocket every time I take my dogs out and I check to see what rounds the cylinder is on. Every single time. I never touch a gun without checking the chamber or cylinder. If he was so used to using firearms why is he ignoring the first two things you learn on day one of firearm safety, always check for rounds and never point a gun at a human, loaded or not.

I don’t hate Alec Baldwin. Never met him, I am sure I wouldn’t like him if I did just by judging his words and body language. That doesn’t change one single thing about this, or my opinion of it. A man pointed a gun at a woman, shot and killed her, and now has officially gotten away with it. Scott free. And almost worse than that there are folk like you bending yourself into a fucking pretzel to make excuses for a man who, holy fuck, pointed a gun at a woman and shot her to death.


You never point a gun and pull a trigger just trusting some other guy checked the rounds. You do it yourself it takes half a second.


I cannot engage in discussing this further if you cannot discern between a movie with actors playing a role and real life. Stick with low brow Bitchute commentary threads. This one is above your pay grade.
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Oct 8 2022 06:20pm
Quote (addone @ Oct 8 2022 07:06pm)
I cannot engage in discussing this further if you cannot discern between a movie with actors playing a role and real life. Stick with low brow Bitchute commentary threads. This one is above your pay grade.



I cannot engage further in this conversation with a person who doesn’t realize actors sometimes use real guns in movies, and cannot discern between shooting and killing a woman and accidentally leaving a fish bone in a sandwich.

Holy shit dude good riddance :rofl:


Basic day one, “before we open our books I want to tell you the number one rule of gun safety” rule, is “above my pay grade”. I am a Texan :rofl:

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Oct 8 2022 06:33pm
Quote (pwb3 @ Oct 8 2022 08:37am)
Are you really this dumb?



Yep. Confirmed.
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Oct 8 2022 06:38pm
Quote (pwb3 @ Oct 8 2022 07:33pm)
Yep. Confirmed.



Would you like to explain how this isn’t his fault too? Instead of saying, “you are dumb”. Can you explain to me with your boundless intellect? Explain how the man who shot and killed a woman isn’t responsible for shooting and killing a woman.


See to normal people, shooting a woman with a live round and blaming somebody else for your (unfortunately) murderous actions is considered dumb.

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Oct 8 2022 06:58pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Oct 9 2022 01:38pm)
Would you like to explain how this isn’t his fault too? Instead of saying, “you are dumb”. Can you explain to me with your boundless intellect? Explain how the man who shot and killed a woman isn’t responsible for shooting and killing a woman.


See to normal people, shooting a woman with a live round and blaming somebody else for your (unfortunately) murderous actions is considered dumb.


We just did.
You continue to refuse to understand a difference between intentionally while knowing the gun is hot to kill a human being in cold blood between acting in a western for entertainment purposes.
The husband and the family already reached the settlement. Everyone already recognised the situation for what it is. In my books you are approaching TiStuff levels never full TiStuff.
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We just did.
You continue to refuse to understand a difference between intentionally while knowing the gun is hot to kill a human being in cold blood between acting in a western for entertainment purposes.
The husband and the family already reached the settlement. Everyone already recognised the situation for what it is. In my books you are approaching TiStuff levels never full TiStuff.



You told me what I already knew about what the armorer does.

What you are inferring here (bolded text) is that this happened during a scene. It did not. He was screwing off and accidentally killed a woman.

Obviously no matter what, you will downplay this and try and squeeze me in with the user who makes nonstop conspiracy theory threads so you don’t have to admit that the man who shot and killed a woman should be held accountable for shooting and killing a woman.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory. This actually happened. A rich elite Hollywood actor has literally gotten away with murder. No trial, not a single charge. There are people defending this and calling me names for finding this whole situation fucking insane.

Look in the mirror guy
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Oct 8 2022 07:47pm
Quote (addone @ Oct 8 2022 05:34pm)
That's a simp take. Look as much as you might hate Alec for being a Hollywood Leftoid you need to discern criminal intent and negligence on his part.

First of only the armourer (weapons master) is responsible for loading the gun, and or the authorised personnel. Secondly he was told the gun was cold. Doing a western film, where just about everyone carries a gun at all times and shoots it every 10 mins it's easy to mix things up. If your mother accidentally puts a fish bone in your sandwich and you share it with your friend who eats and chokes on it. Is it your fault? Alec has been shooting scenes like this for many years, how was he supposed to one day wake up and know this time the gun was loaded for real?

Sometimes these things just happen you put your trust in the guy next to you has done his job. So you can put away your pitchfork away for another time.


It's wild to me how scenarios exist in which you are not responsible for the consequences of your actions.

Honest question (my intent is not to draw parallels with the topic in hand) :
Where do you draw the line regarding negligence / crimimal intent and how does it apply with respect to smuggling of controlled substances?

If you are planning to travel to foreign country, and one of your relatives hands you a bag asking you to deliver it to a friend abroad. This bag, unbeknownst to you, is filled with controlled substances. However, you are assured of its innocence and good intent as a gift. Does negligence absolves you from responsibility when you are detained and charged for smuggling?
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Oct 8 2022 08:53pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Oct 8 2022 05:38pm)
Would you like to explain how this isn’t his fault too? Instead of saying, “you are dumb”. Can you explain to me with your boundless intellect? Explain how the man who shot and killed a woman isn’t responsible for shooting and killing a woman.


See to normal people, shooting a woman with a live round and blaming somebody else for your (unfortunately) murderous actions is considered dumb.



Look up the definition for “murder.”
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Quote (WiziLiCe @ Oct 9 2022 02:47pm)
It's wild to me how scenarios exist in which you are not responsible for the consequences of your actions.

Honest question (my intent is not to draw parallels with the topic in hand) :
Where do you draw the line regarding negligence / crimimal intent and how does it apply with respect to smuggling of controlled substances?

If you are planning to travel to foreign country, and one of your relatives hands you a bag asking you to deliver it to a friend abroad. This bag, unbeknownst to you, is filled with controlled substances. However, you are assured of its innocence and good intent as a gift. Does negligence absolves you from responsibility when you are detained and charged for smuggling?


If you can prove that you had no prior knowledge or intent then you get absolved and hopefully the person who set you up gets punished. It's a classic villagers with pitchforks only seeing one side crying for blood scenario.
Otherwise you can be framed for anything any time.
Although I think there is a line between too innocent like if a shady person hands you a bag and tells you there is nothing illigal. My question is why are you so stupid to not recognise something is off?
It's a very rare work place accident that has exploded beyond anything that everyday people have to deal with. People like Yeehaw seem to think Alec was some kind of psycho who snapped, loaded a gun and put it into an eye socket of one of his co-workers is deranged to say the least.
The dues have been paid, great apologies were given, both parties have moved on everyone just wants to go forward and finish the film.

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Oct 8 2022 11:03pm
Quote (addone @ Oct 8 2022 09:53pm)
If you can prove that you had no prior knowledge or intent then you get absolved and hopefully the person who set you up gets punished. It's a classic villagers with pitchforks only seeing one side crying for blood scenario.
Otherwise you can be framed for anything any time.
Although I think there is a line between too innocent like if a shady person hands you a bag and tells you there is nothing illigal. My question is why are you so stupid to not recognise something is off?
It's a very rare work place accident that has exploded beyond anything that everyday people have to deal with. People like Yeehaw seem to think Alec was some kind of psycho who snapped, loaded a gun and put it into an eye socket of one of his co-workers is deranged to say the least.
The dues have been paid, great apologies were given, both parties have moved on everyone just wants to go forward and finish the film.



I am very well aware of this entire scenario. I never asserted anything you just said I did. I stated the fact that he pointed a gun at a woman, pulled the trigger, killed her with one bullet, and faced zero consequences besides having to pay money.

For some reason you are still bending into a pretzel to relieve him from any responsibility for ending a woman’s life.

Quote (pwb3 @ Oct 8 2022 09:53pm)
Look up the definition for “murder.”



I used the word murderous. Meaning capable of or intending to murder.



If we are talking about tragic work place accidents and definitions of murder, I’d like to point out Derek chauvin was convicted of first degree murder for a tragic work place accident. Every witness brought to trial on the subject said he followed his training and was actually allowed to use more force than he did. Tragic accident with severe consequences

Maybe look up the definition of first degree murder?

Why does a rich celebrity get away without even being charged of a crime. Negligible homicides? Manslaughter?

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