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Sep 23 2022 10:19am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 05:17pm)
How are they NOT war crimes? Under what logic? Aiming at factories is one thing. Aiming at the city is another.


You appear to know where the line in the sand is. When does war become a war crime? Do tell us.
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 23 2022 11:19am)
You appear to know where the line in the sand is. When does war become a war crime? Do tell us.


When it doesn't take reasonable precautions to mitigate harm to noncombatants.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule12
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Sep 23 2022 11:14am
the idea we only owe NATO allies anything is idiotic lol
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Sep 23 2022 11:47am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 06:05pm)
When it doesn't take reasonable precautions to mitigate harm to noncombatants.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule12


"War crime" implies intentionality and rational decision-making. We have to assume that individuals do not always act with perfect rationality.
I also disagree that the RAF and USAF intended to inflict the number of civilian casualties.

I do think the amount of munitions dropped was likely disproportionate, particularly in 1945.

Absolving the allies of atrocities would not be accurate either. However tarring Churchill with the same brush as Stalin or Hitler is inaccurate and unbased in my opinion.


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Sep 23 2022 12:00pm
putin is not the opposition, but the other side of the same coin
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Quote (Cascadian @ Sep 21 2022 08:41pm)
Coulda fooled me after reading your post.


When have you ever been right about anything again? Oh yeah never. You know, you might actually manage to improve if you listened to your critics for once. But nope
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Sep 23 2022 12:11pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 11:05am)
When it doesn't take reasonable precautions to mitigate harm to noncombatants.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule12


As usual you get everything wrong. When has Russia deliberately targeted civilians? Oh yeah, that's right, NEVER - which is ironic given that the US does the exact opposite in pretty much every conflict.

Targeting schools, hospitals, etc that are full of Ukrainian soldiers and Ukrainian military equipment is not the same as doing it when they are full of civilians.

But of course getting you to understand something like this is like trying to convince a chimpanzee that they can run for president.
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Sep 23 2022 12:50pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ 23 Sep 2022 11:10)
When have you ever been right about anything again?
That Russia would invade Ukraine. Try again.

Quote (Santara @ 23 Sep 2022 04:29)
Wat?
When their argument is so weak they need to result to works of fiction as references! :rofl:


Quote (fishbro @ 21 Sep 2022 20:35)
why the disrespect?
This is why:
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Suicide Squad 2 showcases just how far the USG will go to take down any potential threats to their authority.

Bad troll is bad.

This post was edited by Cascadian on Sep 23 2022 12:57pm
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Sep 23 2022 12:47pm)
"War crime" implies intentionality and rational decision-making. We have to assume that individuals do not always act with perfect rationality.
I also disagree that the RAF and USAF intended to inflict the number of civilian casualties.

I do think the amount of munitions dropped was likely disproportionate, particularly in 1945.

Absolving the allies of atrocities would not be accurate either. However tarring Churchill with the same brush as Stalin or Hitler is inaccurate and unbased in my opinion.


Intent doesn't just mean intent to do harm directly to civilians, it means intent to carry out the act that led to that harm. Just like intent in criminal trials, you don't have to have intended to kill someone to be charged with intentional homicide, you just have to have intended to carry out the act which led to it.

I'm not really drawing a comparison with Allied war crimes with Axis war crimes. I just want to note that we aren't clean in this.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Sep 23 2022 01:11pm)
As usual you get everything wrong. When has Russia deliberately targeted civilians? Oh yeah, that's right, NEVER - which is ironic given that the US does the exact opposite in pretty much every conflict.

Targeting schools, hospitals, etc that are full of Ukrainian soldiers and Ukrainian military equipment is not the same as doing it when they are full of civilians.

But of course getting you to understand something like this is like trying to convince a chimpanzee that they can run for president.


Just last week when they launched precision munitions into power plants and water treatment plants? How short is your memory?
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Sep 23 2022 01:03pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 23 2022 12:05pm)
When it doesn't take reasonable precautions to mitigate harm to noncombatants.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_rul_rule12


Was it a war crime at the time? Like, who defines it, and when was it defined, and enforced by who?

"Law" between sovereigns is a weird area. It's hard to say what's a crime and what isn't when you're dealing with entities who create the law.
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