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Sep 22 2022 10:33am
Quote (fender @ Sep 22 2022 11:20am)
in terms of pure scope, 100%. a combination of ignorance and laziness, as well as a lack of legal protections, made corporate data harvesting an unfathomably large issue. that's the sad reality literally everywhere in the world (even though the EU is ever so slightly pushing back against some of it - in its typically slow, cumbersome, bureaucratic, impractical, and easily to ridicule way).

that wasn't my point though, i was commenting on government (taxpayer) funded surveillance of the population, about perceived (or marketed) freedoms, and the hilariously unaware narratives many of your fellow countymen still uncritically push...
it's not that the US is the worst or anything - far from it, if you compare it to the likes of china, saudi-arabia, or russia for example. but is also isn't the shining beacon that many still seem to believe it is. not any more...


I still remember Chris Christie in the 2020 GOP primary trying his hardest to justify the patriot act when Rand Paul criticized him. sadly even 20 years after the Iraq war began u can scare a lot of americans into supporting shit just by saying terrorist attack.
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Sep 22 2022 10:49am
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I still remember Chris Christie in the 2020 GOP primary trying his hardest to justify the patriot act when Rand Paul criticized him. sadly even 20 years after the Iraq war began u can scare a lot of americans into supporting shit just by saying terrorist attack.


that's true, but if i'm being completely honest, it's hard to blame the average american for it, just like you can't blame the average dutchie for thinking shelf toilets are normal. when you grow up in an environment like that, if you consume media that tries to scare the living shit out of you every hour, every day of the week, it really requires some genuine political interest and intelligence to break out of that and look at the bigger picture. system's fundamentally "broken" (if you look at it from an idealistic point of view, ofc it's by design) and rigged. this can and will never be solved by voting for corporate politicians, no matter how smart, smooth, idealistic, or likeable they might seem (obama, buttigieg come to mind)...
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Sep 22 2022 10:54am
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that's true, but if i'm being completely honest, it's hard to blame the average american for it, just like you can't blame the average dutchie for thinking shelf toilets are normal. when you grow up in an environment like that, if you consume media that tries to scare the living shit out of you every hour, every day of the week, it really requires some genuine political interest and intelligence to break out of that and look at the bigger picture. system's fundamentally "broken" (if you look at it from an idealistic point of view, ofc it's by design) and rigged. this can and will never be solved by voting for corporate politicians, no matter how smart, smooth, idealistic, or likeable they might seem (obama, buttigieg come to mind)...


This is the most cogent statement I have ever heard from you.
Keep it up.
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Sep 22 2022 11:01am
Quote (fender @ Sep 22 2022 06:48pm)
this. it always amuses me when americans get all high and mighty about their alleged freedoms, while their government has spent literally trillions of taxpayer dollars to comprehensively surveil their communications for decades now, and infringe upon very basic rights, particularly after 9/11. they meme about the brits and their "loicenses", while big brother is watching their every step and their police force can basically indiscriminately kill them at any point... it's rather bizarre really. no self-awareness...


My life revolves around working in a aero and space machinist shop, going home to spend some time online/play games etc, and going back to work. There is absolutely nothing I put out on internet or on social media that can harm me really. By exercising proper control over the "tap" which is me and my actions there is absolutely 0 reason for "big brother" to come kill me. And to be frank, US Big Brother is not as evil and bent on killing its citizens for no reason as most people on the internet crying about NSA/Facebook invading and controlling their extremely important lives as its made out to be.

In fact given the level of degeneracy, and left/right wing trash, I wouldn't mind if levels of police brutality against these half-Unabombers would quadruple, too many psychopaths are given free way with what they say and how they influence the public with their shit.
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Sep 22 2022 11:14am
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that's true, but if i'm being completely honest, it's hard to blame the average american for it, just like you can't blame the average dutchie for thinking shelf toilets are normal. when you grow up in an environment like that, if you consume media that tries to scare the living shit out of you every hour, every day of the week, it really requires some genuine political interest and intelligence to break out of that and look at the bigger picture. system's fundamentally "broken" (if you look at it from an idealistic point of view, ofc it's by design) and rigged. this can and will never be solved by voting for corporate politicians, no matter how smart, smooth, idealistic, or likeable they might seem (obama, buttigieg come to mind)...


we also transitioned way too quickly into a news consuming society. reading the newspaper or listening to a radio broadcast was a very small part of most people's lives, nightly news changed that a bit but even then it was a 30 minute segment for most people a few times a week covering blandly reported large events. 24-7 news ramped it up but even then being a CNN watcher 24-7 or Fox News made you a wierdo. then social media came along and took over under the guise of social interaction, where it stayed in it's niche for a VERY short time, and now news is inescapable unless you entirely unplug from normal society. the news is inescapable, and politics worldwide is the lens of focus for all news.

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Sep 22 2022 11:27am
Quote (Palasan @ 22 Sep 2022 19:01)
My life revolves around working in a aero and space machinist shop, going home to spend some time online/play games etc, and going back to work. There is absolutely nothing I put out on internet or on social media that can harm me really. By exercising proper control over the "tap" which is me and my actions there is absolutely 0 reason for "big brother" to come kill me. And to be frank, US Big Brother is not as evil and bent on killing its citizens for no reason as most people on the internet crying about NSA/Facebook invading and controlling their extremely important lives as its made out to be.

In fact given the level of degeneracy, and left/right wing trash, I wouldn't mind if levels of police brutality against these half-Unabombers would quadruple, too many psychopaths are given free way with what they say and how they influence the public with their shit.


i think there was a slight misunderstanding. the government surveillance and police killings were seperate points regarding the issue of american freedom. i wasn't trying to suggest that the government is collecting all that data in order to find an optimal way to kill people for whatever reason.
these issues are just indirectly connected for the most part. police killings are a result of poor training, firearm proliferation, racism, warrior culture, economic struggles and not "the government" targeting individuals based on data they collected with their comprehensive spying programs, lol.
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Sep 22 2022 12:54pm
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where in the world is free speech in a better state then? i'm genuinely curious.

i mean you're right about this not changing anything in the short term, but this guy will not "fall" out of a window tomorrow, accidentally consume polonium, or disappear to some labour camp to be re-educated. he also won't be socially isolated by his peers.

doesn't mean it's perfect. people HAVE indeed been punished for criticising the monarchy, which is unacceptable imo - but that doesn't change the fact that speech is still the freest in what we call the "western world".

Who cares? I'm not saying 'free speech' is better elsewhere, I'm saying 'free speech' doesn't matter, it's only there because it's not dangerous and it makes people feel good through catharsis.

Quote (ferdia @ Sep 22 2022 07:42am)
I missed the article's about Charles being a pedophile, or owning his very own child rape island in the caribbean. its safer to throw such accusations at Prince Andrew. This is merely a cheap shot at an old handicapped man. to your comment: I mean in a family you can have a priest and a pedo, they dont have to be the same person (yes i accept the response "but are not all priests...". so in summary there is enough ammunition against Charles without having to making up false accusations.

IDC, he's the king of all pedophiles over there on Nonce Island, now. That's just how it is.
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