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Sep 21 2022 10:31am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 21 2022 10:43am)
Cutting off body parts to treat mental illness is absurd. How is this different than lobotomy cutting on the brain? Semantics?


If a procedure improves the long term outcomes for people it is your obligation as a physician to do it.

This is based on evidence, not feelings.
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Sep 21 2022 10:51am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ 21 Sep 2022 11:43)
Cutting off body parts to treat mental illness is absurd. How is this different than lobotomy cutting on the brain? Semantics?

the people who worship this practice on 5-7 year olds basically operate as if they had lobotomies
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Sep 21 2022 11:00am
Quote (RedFromWinter @ Sep 21 2022 08:43am)
Cutting off body parts to treat mental illness is absurd. How is this different than lobotomy cutting on the brain? Semantics?


"mental illness" is a cia trickled down & coined phrase, along w/ "conspiracy theory":

for zoom:
https://ibb.co/86w4sJ1


they are mutilating 247 by actively controlling every person on the planet via false personality scripts & unbeknownst



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Sep 21 2022 11:01am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 21 2022 11:31am)
If a procedure improves the long term outcomes for people it is your obligation as a physician to do it.

This is based on evidence, not feelings.


Lobotomies are a cure for anxiety, paranoia, depression, and not drooling.
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Sep 21 2022 11:08am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 21 2022 11:43am)
Let's say the evidence is overwhelming that gender reassignment for children with parental consent and proper screening dramatically improves their life.

Would it still be disgusting then?

Just trying to gauge where you're coming at this from.


I don't think the concern is for kids that will genuinely become transgender later life. They would definitely benefit from it.

If you could trust the people who push children to transition to screen properly and we were assured they aren't going to fuck up a bunch of normal kids that simply dont conform to traditional gender sterotypes (gays, tomboys etc) then there probably wouldn't be any opposition to this.
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Sep 21 2022 11:12am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 21 2022 12:08pm)
I don't think the concern is for kids that will genuinely become transgender later life. They would definitely benefit from it.

If you could trust the people who push children to transition to screen properly and we were assured they aren't going to fuck up a bunch of normal kids that simply dont conform to traditional gender sterotypes (gays, tomboys etc) then there probably wouldn't be any opposition to this.


correct. people often equate gender specialist therapists to a brain surgeon. when in reality brain surgeons make mistakes like any doctor but are more qualified to do their job than say a general surgeon is. same goes for gender therapists. however brain surgeons work on 3d scans of the brain to locate issues and map their surgery. gender therapists are working on interviews with a developing and deeply impressionable mind in an ever changing field of medicine. all stemming from the branch of medicine that tosses pills at people to approximate healthy brain chemistry with a known percentage having seriously altering side effects and issues.

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Sep 21 2022 11:15am
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 21 2022 12:08pm)
I don't think the concern is for kids that will genuinely become transgender later life. They would definitely benefit from it.

If you could trust the people who push children to transition to screen properly and we were assured they aren't going to fuck up a bunch of normal kids that simply dont conform to traditional gender sterotypes (gays, tomboys etc) then there probably wouldn't be any opposition to this.


Which is why I couched the question in a way to exclude those concerns so i can see if opposition is purely ideological or based on evidence.

The former I can just point out they don't want what's best for kids. The latter we can have a conversation.
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Sep 21 2022 11:23am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Sep 21 2022 12:15pm)
Which is why I couched the question in a way to exclude those concerns so i can see if opposition is purely ideological or based on evidence.

The former I can just point out they don't want what's best for kids. The latter we can have a conversation.


the discussion is simple, are the benefits of reassignment surgery so positive that it outweighs the potential negatives.

on the topic of puberty blockers and hormone therapy it seems to be a resounding yes, based on evidence, common sense, and most importantly reversibility of the process.

on reassignment surgery we lack the evidence to make a good call imo, common sense tells me its better to wait, and there is a serious issue when it comes to reversing the process.

it just seems like an unnecessary risk with some upside potential for most, and catastrophic and irreversible downside for some. fine and dandy for adults to take on those odds, it's a free country. problematic for children, especially when we look at cases like divorced parents disagreeing and the court deciding the pro-reassignment parent wins.

also a bit hard to have an open and honest when if you come out as a trans person against it sharing your story you're made a pariah and are left only with interviews on fox news where they tokenize you for views. "your story may be true but think of the ammo it gives our enemy" is something i really detest.
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Sep 21 2022 11:37am
Quote (lodd222 @ 21 Sep 2022 10:00)
"mental illness" is a cia trickled down & coined phrase, along w/ "conspiracy theory":

for zoom:
https://ibb.co/86w4sJ1
https://i.ibb.co/18NJQ3F/Screen-Shot-2022-09-21-at-9-14-21-AM.png

they are mutilating 247 by actively controlling every person on the planet via false personality scripts & unbeknownst

https://i.ibb.co/jTSS3Rb/Screen-Shot-2022-09-21-at-9-59-36-AM.png


lmao, this is worse than bigfoot hunters
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Sep 21 2022 11:43am
pro transing kids people are also the pro abortion people
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