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#21
Sep 2 2022 11:58am
Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Sep 2022 19:55)
Obama criticized Trump, Trump criticized Obama. Both avoided it for the most part but dipped their toes in it. They upheld the civility of the office.
Trump criticized Biden, Biden held a prime time speech as president to denounce Trump while weaponizing his FBI to persecute him.



This is a complete change for the political landscape in the post civil war era. I don't know or care how it compares to ancient history, but in terms of the office of the presidency and the very basic level of civility in our civil society, Biden just crossed a rather important line. Its more like saying "He's the first QB to run up to the opposing QB on the sidelines and stab him with a shiv". Maybe that kind of roughhousing was more normal back in the 1800s, but when a QB proudly does it on camera, it means we're exiting an era of civil football and into an era of no holds barred struggles. Which, abandoning that tortured metaphor, is something you should recognize is anathema to a functioning democracy.

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Trump literally blamed obama in about every third sentence in his speeches
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Sep 2 2022 12:02pm
Quote (Ognadibik @ Sep 2 2022 12:58pm)
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Trump literally blamed obama in about every third sentence in his speeches


No, he really didn't. Trump never once gave a speech from his bully pulpit just to denounce Obama. They had some public slaps back and forth, mostly about the crossfire hurricane escapade, but even when campaigning and hosting populist rallies, Obama was certainly never his focus.
Even going back to presidents like Clinton and daddy Bush and Reagan, I'm sure you could find isolated public mentions of their predecessor in a less than charitable light.

What you won't find is a president LARPing as Baron Von Doom in a televised speech just to denounce a former president. That's a new precedent.

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Sep 2 2022 12:02pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 12:55pm)
Obama criticized Trump, Trump criticized Obama. Both avoided it for the most part but dipped their toes in it. They upheld the civility of the office.
Trump criticized Biden, Biden held a prime time speech as president to denounce Trump while weaponizing his FBI to persecute him.



This is a complete change for the political landscape in the post civil war era. I don't know or care how it compares to ancient history, but in terms of the office of the presidency and the very basic level of civility in our civil society, Biden just crossed a rather important line. Its more like saying "He's the first QB to run up to the opposing QB on the sidelines and stab him with a shiv". Maybe that kind of roughhousing was more normal back in the 1800s, but when a QB proudly does it on camera, it means we're exiting an era of civil football and into an era of no holds barred struggles. Which, abandoning that tortured metaphor, is something you should recognize is anathema to a functioning democracy.


how many ex presidents claimed after leaving office they had the election stolen from them?

we exited civility the day Trump continued to claim the election was stolen after losing all of his court cases.

do us all a favor and write one of your essays strictly on trumps lack of civility as it relates to election rigging tinfoil. please? give me 100 words on that farce for once.
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Sep 2 2022 12:03pm
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how many ex presidents claimed after leaving office they had the election stolen from them?


we not counting al gore now?
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Sep 2 2022 12:09pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 01:02pm)
No, he really didn't. Trump never once gave a speech from his bully pulpit just to denounce Obama. They had some public slaps back and forth, mostly about the crossfire hurricane escapade, but even when campaigning and hosting populist rallies, Obama was certainly never his focus.
Even going back to presidents like Clinton and daddy Bush and Reagan, I'm sure you could find isolated public mentions of their predecessor in a less than charitable light.

What you won't find is a president LARPing as Baron Von Doom in a televised speech just to denounce a former president. That's a new precedent.


LOL. TFG spent his entire term trying to undo Obama's legacy, but please go on about how he wasn't his focus.
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Sep 2 2022 12:28pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 2 2022 01:03pm)
we not counting al gore now?


you mean the candidate who had a legitimate and potentially provable claim that Florida was stolen, took it to the supreme court, lost, and conceded and was never heard from again on the topic? the guy who most people know of for his silly climate change movie? i hear that Roger Stone knows a lot about that situation, all above board tho, nothing bad there.

now lets imagine a world in which Al Gore goes on all news networks and refuses to concede, says George Bush and his brother stole the election. files 60 lawsuits. talks about it on facebook weekly and builds a movement around the Hanging Chad. then when he loses the lawsuits claims the judges he and Clinton appointed are corrupt and in the pocket of the republicans along with a global cabal of Skull and Bones deepstate agents. and george bush says "guys stop it" and then goomshill blushes.

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Sep 2 2022 12:31pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Sep 2022 05:28)
Seems like the democratic playbook this year is to escalate by leaps and bounds. They've rejected incrementalism in favor of almost cartoonish excesses of totalitarianism. I mean, its one thing to set a precedent by having the very first televised presidential appearance for the the explicit purpose of attacking a former president, and that's already corrosive to our democracy and deeply shameful and will go down in history books- but that's the incremental escalation. But actually staging the event with the thematics of a hollywood villain, cribbing notes from Chancellor Sutler in V for Vendetta with the world's most overtly Orwellian backdrop? Now that's something. Everyone at CNN is licking their lips in anticipation that Joe Biden orders Donald Trump to be arrested- but at the rate we're going, its more likely Joe Biden will order Donald Trump beheaded by a swordsman in front of the Lincoln Memorial


Why do you even bother typing bro you are a shill and completely wrong every single time you press enter. Like who are you trying to convince? Tistuff?? Good luck on that
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Sep 2 2022 12:33pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Sep 2022 14:02)
No, he really didn't. Trump never once gave a speech from his bully pulpit just to denounce Obama. They had some public slaps back and forth, mostly about the crossfire hurricane escapade, but even when campaigning and hosting populist rallies, Obama was certainly never his focus.
Even going back to presidents like Clinton and daddy Bush and Reagan, I'm sure you could find isolated public mentions of their predecessor in a less than charitable light.

What you won't find is a president LARPing as Baron Von Doom in a televised speech just to denounce a former president. That's a new precedent.


Maybe Trump deserves it? Did you think of that?
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Sep 2 2022 12:36pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 01:28pm)
you mean the candidate who had a legitimate and potentially provable claim that Florida was stolen, took it to the supreme court, lost, and conceded and was never heard from again on the topic? the guy who most people know of for his silly climate change movie? i hear that Roger Stone knows a lot about that situation, all above board tho, nothing bad there.

now lets imagine a world in which Al Gore goes on all news networks and refuses to concede, says George Bush and his brother stole the election. files 60 lawsuits. talks about it on facebook weekly and builds a movement around the Hanging Chad. then when he loses the lawsuits claims the judges he and Clinton appointed are corrupt and in the pocket of the republicans along with a global cabal of Skull and Bones deepstate agents. and george bush says "guys stop it" and then goomshill blushes.


So you are saying both sides are corrupt and untrustworthy?

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Sep 2 2022 12:42pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 2 2022 01:09pm)
LOL. TFG spent his entire term trying to undo Obama's legacy, but please go on about how he wasn't his focus.


Yeah that's called being from two different political parties with opposing political agendas. Obama spent his time undoing George W Bush's legacy, Trump undid Obama's, Biden undid Trump's

Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 2 2022 01:28pm)
you mean the candidate who had a legitimate and potentially provable claim that Florida was stolen, took it to the supreme court, lost, and conceded and was never heard from again on the topic? the guy who most people know of for his silly climate change movie? i hear that Roger Stone knows a lot about that situation, all above board tho, nothing bad there.

now lets imagine a world in which Al Gore goes on all news networks and refuses to concede, says George Bush and his brother stole the election. files 60 lawsuits. talks about it on facebook weekly and builds a movement around the Hanging Chad. then when he loses the lawsuits claims the judges he and Clinton appointed are corrupt and in the pocket of the republicans along with a global cabal of Skull and Bones deepstate agents. and george bush says "guys stop it" and then goomshill blushes.


'60 lawsuits' are how it got to the supreme court. But unlike your hypothetical, Trump actually did concede, packed up his stuff and left the white house.

The difference here is that when the shoe was on the other foot and Donald Trump had the opportunity to plunge our nation into a bitter cutthroat strife to persecute his political rivals like Clinton, Biden and Obama over their transgressions in 2016- complaints he could have borne out of legitimate grievance over being spied upon and the democratic primary being so blatantly rigged- Donald Trump did not. For all his pugilism and coarseness, he wasn't the one to debase the office of the presidency and choose the path of conflict, division and totalitarianism.

And it doesn't help when the guy acting like a totalitarian dictator also dresses up like one
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