JFC...Ernst Röhm was executed during the political purge which was referred to as the "Röhm purge", or the "Night of the Long Knives".

And you're an abject fool if you think that appreciation of the arts is an exclusively left-wing trait.

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This post was edited by TiStuff on Jul 29 2022 09:23am

So I think there is some semantic disconnect between Americans and Europeans on conservative and liberal. Also I don't think liberals and conservatives really even agree on what constitutes "the right" and the "the left." Also I think these abstractions are so subjective and undefined they are almost substantively meaningless. I think it better to think in terms of political parties or political movements since they actually have defined party platforms, or in the case of movements have a more defined set of ideals usually. Whereas no one will ever really agree on the parameters of "right" and "left" and they are so loose in substance that people just use these terms either intentionally or un-intentionally to talk past each other.

In Europe being a conservative and going back to old school values means going back to the idea of elites running things because "back in the good ol' days" that is how things were in Europe. You come to the United States and our whole origin story is telling a ruling king to go f himself. Our founding fathers defied an autocracy in a rebellion. Then we established a very weak central government to hold together a handful of largely decentralized governments.

Over time the United States has trended towards larger more centralized government. So while Europe's right wingers tend to be more autocratic and purely authoritarian, the United States right wingers are more inclined to tell the central authority to go pound sand and prefer weaker central government, because that is a return to the United States "good old days." And of course in the United States conservatives are huge fans of individual liberty, individual freedom, individual rights, and de-centralized free markets.

Because Europe and European philosophers and historians by definition have been around a lot longer than the American's we end up sort of using the whole European framework for right v. left conservative v. liberal also here in America even though it doesn't translate and ends up causing a lot of confusion.

Some conservatives in the U.S. would say the political spectrum is individualism or anarchy to collectivism or tyranny and the fulcrum is freedom, liberals in the U.S. and maybe also in Europe I think would be more likely to say that the political spectrum has nationalism or individualism on one side and globalism or collectivism on the other, or would just say its undefinable through a singular value, and its all arbitrarily aggregated.

I think as far as it can be understood the right is "traditional values" and the left is "more modern values" but these abstractions don't work to do anything functional because sometimes right wingers believe in certain modern values and sometimes left wingers believe in some traditional values. If you wait long enough these sides can completely trade sides on issues. Its kind of a mess of abstractions.

But to the extent the right and left are dichotomies of traditional values and modern values I think its worth noting that the radical difference in European vs. American origin stories creates some very different baseline traditional values.

This post was edited by softcoresux on Jul 30 2022 07:39pm

Even if Nazis were nothing but Texas rootin tootin gun toting libertarian autistic ancaps

Congrats, every other insane genocidal regime is explicitly leftist.

guy gets his entire thought process from memes

Finally. A topic that addresses reality. The left ARE the fascists. And like everything else, they accuse the right of the things THEY are doing.

Who is running around raping, burning and pillaging because they don't get what they want? The left.
Who is trying to destroy the Constitution? The left.
Who is making all kinds of deals, not helpful to us, with foreign actors? The left.
Who is completely disregarding their own country's rule? The left.
Who, through their every action is trying to divide and conquer this country? The left.
Who has captured every usual source of reliable information and corrupted it? The left.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 30 2022 08:58pm

PaRD isn't a screen, you can't project this hard onto it

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“No, you!!!”

Didnt they have some pretty socialist policies?

I know that we say the Nazis were fascist however that alone doesn't make them right-wing.