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Jul 20 2022 03:29pm
Oh, so there isn't propaganda from a major organization calling for the eradication of Iraq? Weird...

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Jul 20 2022 03:33pm
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Oh, so there isn't propaganda from a major organization calling for the eradication of Iraq?


I am not sure if this is considered as propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_Iraq_War
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Jul 20 2022 03:35pm
Quote (Cascadian @ 21 Jul 2022 05:29)
Oh, so there isn't propaganda from a major organization calling for the eradication of Iraq? Weird...

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Come on brother no disrespect.
Don't use whataboutism as a retort. It is a very bad term for a good conversation and debate.
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Jul 20 2022 03:44pm
Quote (Cascadian @ Jul 20 2022 11:29pm)
Oh, so there isn't propaganda from a major organization calling for the eradication of Iraq? Weird...

What-about-ism on full broadcast here


It seems like you don't know what really happened. You should read up about it. Try here for example https://merip.org/2020/06/the-enduring-lessons-of-the-iraq-sanctions/

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The economic sanctions imposed on Iraq by the United Nations Security Council, from 1990 to 2003, may well lay claim to be the worst humanitarian catastrophe ever imposed in the name of global governance.
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Jul 20 2022 03:53pm
i was wrong when i said that russia would not invade, because i expected putin to know better and the west to have an interest in stopping the escalation

pretty insane how this entire thing escalated, ukranians and russians are brothers
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Jul 20 2022 04:04pm
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i was wrong when i said that russia would not invade, because i expected putin to know better and the west to have an interest in stopping the escalation

pretty insane how this entire thing escalated, ukranians and russians are brothers


Russia will invade sooner or later but it could have been prevented and things could have been worked out between Russia, Nato and EU to prevent one.

But I can assure you China will invade Taiwan sooner or later that is a guarantee. The invasion can only be delayed but not prevented. Russia and Ukraine on the other hand can be prevented.
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Jul 20 2022 04:07pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jul 20 2022 11:53pm)
i was wrong when i said that russia would not invade, because i expected putin to know better and the west to have an interest in stopping the escalation

pretty insane how this entire thing escalated, ukranians and russians are brothers


I expected that too, was really weird when Russian demands were called a non-starter and that was the end of the negotiations.

I mean NATO withdrawing from Eastern EU would be out of the question but the West could have given guarantees that Ukraine / Georgia wouldn't receive NATO / EU membership in exchange for Russian guarantees that they wouldn't invade.

It's a give and take situation, can't have it all.
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Jul 20 2022 04:12pm
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I expected that too, was really weird when Russian demands were called a non-starter and that was the end of the negotiations.

I mean NATO withdrawing from Eastern EU would be out of the question but the West could have given guarantees that Ukraine / Georgia wouldn't receive NATO / EU membership in exchange for Russian guarantees that they wouldn't invade.

It's a give and take situation, can't have it all.


but washington wanted it all ^_^

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Russia will invade sooner or later but it could have been prevented and things could have been worked out between Russia, Nato and EU to prevent one.

But I can assure you China will invade Taiwan sooner or later that is a guarantee. The invasion can only be delayed but not prevented. Russia and Ukraine on the other hand can be prevented.


yes, but the west clearly had no interest in stopping this, now the ukranians are the next victim in another proxy war

china going for taiwan has always been a guarantee, but imo the obstacles are bigger for them compared to russia

taiwan is not a pushover, the chinese military is completely untested in battle

they would have to take the island blitzkrieg style to not have the next great war

i doubt they are able to do this
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Jul 20 2022 04:16pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 21 Jul 2022 06:12)
but washington wanted it all ^_^



yes, but the west clearly had no interest in stopping this, now the ukranians are the next victim in another proxy war

china going for taiwan has always been a guarantee, but imo the obstacles are bigger for them compared to russia

taiwan is not a pushover, the chinese military is completely untested in battle

they would have to take the island blitzkrieg style to not have the next great war

i doubt they are able to do this


China is taking a lot of lessons on this Russia Ukraine war.
So they are weighing options and doesn't want to make the mistakes that Russia makes.

I think China is waiting to test itself sooner or later, probably a proxy war with the USA but I don't have a crystal ball so I am not sure where it will be.
On the other end of the spectrum, USA is also eager to test it out with China to check her capabilities.
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Jul 20 2022 04:26pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Jul 20 2022 02:53pm)
i was wrong when i said that russia would not invade, because i expected putin to know better and the west to have an interest in stopping the escalation

pretty insane how this entire thing escalated, ukranians and russians are brothers


adam shift "we use ukraine to fight russia"
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