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Jul 15 2022 07:47pm
we already know fraud lefties have no limits and that there is no real discussion. if they are talking they are just lying and or screaming about something
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Jul 15 2022 07:53pm
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Fully legal abortion until fetal viability is within the confines of Roe. After fetal viability, it should be done on a case by case basis where we weigh the health/life of the mother, the health/life of the fetus, and the interests of the state.

I do not support this bill because I'm against abortion except in a few rare cases (ectopic pregnancies, etc.)



Thank you for the first actual response. I really want to here thoughts from the truly pro abortion crowd. There are very few who hold the extreme belief of no abortion for any reason ever. There seem to be many more who hold the extreme view of abortion whenever for whatever.

I am completely on board with immediate life threatening situations. If the pregnancy is about to actually kill you, that is basically self defense. I get that.


The language of this bill is deliberately vague, especially where I quoted in OP. It leaves it up to individual doctors to simply decide what determines the mother’s health, and disallows any government to place any restrictions on that.

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Jul 15 2022 07:54pm
Now Congress can draft a NEW bill. But it can't be based on the assumption that the Constitution guarantees a right to abortion... because it doesn't.

See post #16

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Jul 15 2022 07:55pm
I support abortion up to 13 (years) and no age limit for leftists. Stop trying to rob women of their bodily autonomy.
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Jul 15 2022 07:59pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 15 2022 06:53pm)
Thank you for the first actual response. I really want to here thoughts from the truly pro abortion crowd. There are very few who hold the extreme belief of no abortion for any reason ever. There seem to be many more who hold the extreme view of abortion whenever for whatever.

I am completely on board with immediate life threatening situations. If the pregnancy is about to actually kill you, that is basically self defense. I get that.


The language of this bill is deliberately vague, especially where I quoted in OP. It leaves it up to individual doctors to simply decide what determines the mother’s health, and disallows any government to place any restrictions on that.


I gave you the answer you're looking for in post #18.
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Jul 15 2022 08:00pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jul 15 2022 06:53pm)
Thank you for the first actual response. I really want to here thoughts from the truly pro abortion crowd. There are very few who hold the extreme belief of no abortion for any reason ever. There seem to be many more who hold the extreme view of abortion whenever for whatever.

I am completely on board with immediate life threatening situations. If the pregnancy is about to actually kill you, that is basically self defense. I get that.


The language of this bill is deliberately vague, especially where I quoted in OP. It leaves it up to individual doctors to simply decide what determines the mother’s health, and disallows any government to place any restrictions on that.


I didn't realize we had a congress full of doctors who can write an accurate bill that can address every potential life-threatening pregnancy. It seems like leaving it up to the patient and doctor to evaluate on a case-by-case basis is the most appropriate choice if you believe abortions are ok in life-threatening situations.
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Jul 15 2022 08:06pm
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I didn't realize we had a congress full of doctors who can write an accurate bill that can address every potential life-threatening pregnancy. It seems like leaving it up to the patient and doctor to evaluate on a case-by-case basis is the most appropriate choice if you believe abortions are ok in life-threatening situations.



The language used does not say life threatening. It literally says
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life or health


Health is defined as the state of being free from illness or injury. There are many common illnesses and injuries from childbirth which are not close to being life threatening.

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Jul 15 2022 08:10pm
Abortion should be available on-demand irrespective of fetal development in large part because the prohibition of such is untenable when people have to articulate the real-world application of anti-abortion philosophy.
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Jul 15 2022 08:11pm
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The language used does not say life threatening. It literally says

Health is defined as the state of being free from illness or injury. There are many common illnesses and injuries from childbirth which are not close to being life threatening.



Seems fine to me. Why should the goverent have a say in what constitutes life or health of a patient? It's a conversation between a patient and their doctor and the government doesn't have a place in that conversation.
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Jul 15 2022 08:17pm
Quote (Sioux @ Jul 15 2022 10:11pm)
Seems fine to me. Why should the goverent have a say in what constitutes life or health of a patient? It's a conversation between a patient and their doctor and the government doesn't have a place in that conversation.



Because it is the legislation’s sole purpose to place restrictions on the people it governs. There is a large chunk of the United States who don’t want people to have an abortion a day before their due date for just whatever reason. Those people elect other people into office to pass laws based on what they believe
Is moral.

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