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Jun 1 2022 08:29pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 1 2022 10:24pm)
every time a mass shooting occurs, we should just tell them it was actually in a low income neighborhood of chicago so they can safely disregard it and crickets


https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

we winning by large numbers tho. You believe in white exceptionalism; they are excelling in mass shooting over the past 40 years for sure.
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Jun 1 2022 08:48pm
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

we winning by large numbers tho. You believe in white exceptionalism; they are excelling in mass shooting over the past 40 years for sure.


Ah yes, my favorite type of statistics, the "damned lies"
Apparently there have only been 128 "mass shootings" in the united states in the past 40 years even though CNN claims there have been 201 mass shootings so far in 2022 alone.

It goes back to a Mother Jones' analysis that uses the criterion "Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included" and "nor are mass killings that took place in private homes" and "The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (except columbine and westside shootings because we make exceptions to include white kids that we don't for black gangbangers"

The statistics you're citing specifically exclude gang crime, so that it can exclude black gunmen

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Jun 1 2022 08:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 1 2022 07:48pm)
Ah yes, my favorite type of statistics, the "damned lies"
Apparently there have only been 128 "mass shootings" in the united states in the past 40 years even though CNN claims there have been 201 mass shootings so far in 2022 alone.

It goes back to a Mother Jones' analysis that uses the criterion "Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included" and "nor are mass killings that took place in private homes" and "The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (except columbine and westside shootings because we make exceptions to include white kids that we don't for black gangbangers"

The statistics you're citing specifically exclude gang crime, so that it can exclude black gunmen


I think part of that stat is to show killings that aren't directly related to poverty. Now it may blanket too many to your point yes. Gang related killing and/or targeting strangers should be tracked separately. Not that one is better than the other.
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Jun 1 2022 08:58pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Jun 2022 22:48)
Ah yes, my favorite type of statistics, the "damned lies"
Apparently there have only been 128 "mass shootings" in the united states in the past 40 years even though CNN claims there have been 201 mass shootings so far in 2022 alone.

It goes back to a Mother Jones' analysis that uses the criterion "Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included" and "nor are mass killings that took place in private homes" and "The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (except columbine and westside shootings because we make exceptions to include white kids that we don't for black gangbangers"

The statistics you're citing specifically exclude gang crime, so that it can exclude black gunmen


the privileged left (includes people like skinned) doesn't care about those instances of gun killings
that is why their primary political party is aligned with the kkk, segregation, jim crow, 'separate but equal', etc.
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Jun 1 2022 09:00pm
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the privileged left (includes people like skinned) doesn't care about those instances of gun killings
that is why their primary political party is aligned with the kkk, segregation, jim crow, 'separate but equal', etc.


There is 100% that white people like to feel safe in the suburbs.. Mainstream sure capitalizes on the fear factor every time
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Jun 1 2022 09:00pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Jun 2022 19:48)
Ah yes, my favorite type of statistics, the "damned lies"
Apparently there have only been 128 "mass shootings" in the united states in the past 40 years even though CNN claims there have been 201 mass shootings so far in 2022 alone.

It goes back to a Mother Jones' analysis that uses the criterion "Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included" and "nor are mass killings that took place in private homes" and "The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (except columbine and westside shootings because we make exceptions to include white kids that we don't for black gangbangers"

The statistics you're citing specifically exclude gang crime, so that it can exclude black gunmen


Just to play the devils advocate, even if gang violence is excluded for nefarious illustrative purposes, why are white men so heavily involved with "lone gunmen" attacks on groups?
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Jun 1 2022 09:02pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 1 2022 09:58pm)
I think part of that stat is to show killings that aren't directly related to poverty. Now it may blanket too many to your point yes. Gang related killing and/or targeting strangers should be tracked separately. Not that one is better than the other.


I think it says more about the value of statistics in general. You can p-hack anything to show what you want
but if anyone wants an insight into what's actually going on with the "gun violence epidemic in this country", they could just read a police scanner feed and see for themselves;
ex my local https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls

Quote (Cascadian @ Jun 1 2022 10:00pm)
Just to play the devils advocate, even if gang violence is excluded for nefarious illustrative purposes, why are white men so heavily involved with "lone gunmen" attacks on groups?


Cultural differences. Most people operate off monkey see monkey do ideas with little originality. Black men are far more likely to emulate gang banger stereotypical shootings like drive bys and pulling a gun in big street fights, white men are more likely to go postal and act out a terrorist attack on random people. Its probably due to the heavily overlapping cross sections of "deranged enough to kill people" and "not smart enough to be original". Its when you get ideologically motivated terrorists who are actually competent and clever that you get real mass casualty events, because shooting a handgun into a crowd or stalking through a school with an AR-15 isn't going to kill even a fraction as many people as you could kill with a semi truck or a barrel of gas + bike lock, let alone jet fuel that melts steel beams

In a sense, I'd argue that every mass shooting event is a copycat attack in a way, especially for the lone terrorist attacker scenario

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Jun 1 2022 09:05pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 1 2022 08:02pm)
I think it says more about the value of statistics in general. You can p-hack anything to show what you want
but if anyone wants an insight into what's actually going on with the "gun violence epidemic in this country", they could just read a police scanner feed and see for themselves;
ex my local https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls



why not tell them how the police are definitely not actively patroling based on illegal cellphone to ID scanning technologies, and how they're not using vaccine mac addresses as well.

or is that not what shills do.
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Jun 1 2022 09:12pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 1 Jun 2022 20:02)
I think it says more about the value of statistics in general. You can p-hack anything to show what you want
but if anyone wants an insight into what's actually going on with the "gun violence epidemic in this country", they could just read a police scanner feed and see for themselves;
ex my local https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls



Cultural differences. Most people operate off monkey see monkey do ideas with little originality. Black men are far more likely to emulate gang banger stereotypical shootings like drive bys and pulling a gun in big street fights, white men are more likely to go postal and act out a terrorist attack on random people. Its probably due to the heavily overlapping cross sections of "deranged enough to kill people" and "not smart enough to be original". Its when you get ideologically motivated terrorists who are actually competent and clever that you get real mass casualty events, because shooting a handgun into a crowd or stalking through a school with an AR-15 isn't going to kill even a fraction as many people as you could kill with a semi truck or a barrel of gas + bike lock, let alone jet fuel that melts steel beams

In a sense, I'd argue that every mass shooting event is a copycat attack in a way, especially for the lone terrorist attacker scenario


So what you are saying, is that the department of homeland security, should be looking at radicalized white men?
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Jun 1 2022 09:33pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 1 2022 07:48pm)
Ah yes, my favorite type of statistics, the "damned lies"
Apparently there have only been 128 "mass shootings" in the united states in the past 40 years even though CNN claims there have been 201 mass shootings so far in 2022 alone.

It goes back to a Mother Jones' analysis that uses the criterion "Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included" and "nor are mass killings that took place in private homes" and "The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (except columbine and westside shootings because we make exceptions to include white kids that we don't for black gangbangers"

The statistics you're citing specifically exclude gang crime, so that it can exclude black gunmen


Why would we include gang crime in this though? They are fundamentally different issues...
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