WTF the graphs been moved to line chit up
red start at 1964
blue starts at 1941
none of the dates line up
the bullchit is hard to believe some times
and its not about deaths but about violent crimes?

moving chit around to make corralations and corralations are not necessarily causation

i suppose though since australia is becoming communist one has to try to see a bright side?

why did they cut the red line at 2004?

This post was edited by TiStuff on May 4 2022 12:40am

You think misinformation does not exist? Do you even understand the context being used here or are you a bot responding to trigger words?


Its a graph comparing children exposed to lead to violent crime rates when they are adults, the years are not supposed to match.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on May 4 2022 12:44am

Sorry to break it to you, but when it comes to environmental pollution and subjecting one's people to unhealthy living circumstances, the real socialist countries are some of the worst offenders in the history of mankind.


I know that many privileged kids in the West love to idealize socialism as some sort of utopia where everyone lives an upper middle class lifestyle, just eco-friendly and without having to work hard, but that's a pipedream.
This is what socialism looked like in reality:



During the early 90s, I have personally see what East Berlin and Leipzig looked like after 45 years of socialist rule. Rundown, dirty, bad air, grey in grey in grey... grey fucking everywhere.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 4 2022 12:49am

Plenty of places in america look that bad or worse, people in flint can set their tap water on fire.


This post was edited by Plaguefear on May 4 2022 02:34am

Trying to pin the tail on this donkey is a wild goose chase. Imagine the bad actors on both sides who have been causing wars/famine and death for thousands of years. Might aswell blame Columbus or the Vikings who started a chain of events that shaped modern life as we know it.
What you can see is a failed theory on human governance that has resulted in rapid collapse over and over again in just about every continent.
Yea sure capitalism isn't perfect but to suggest communism/socialism as a replacement is equivalent to suggesting we should replace our modern transportation with a broom because you've seen Harry Porter.

I am saying capitalism has caused more death and human suffering than communism has, by a wide margin.
Just allowing leaded fuel to be sold for as long as it was contributed to crime rates, lowered the average iq and caused 25 million deaths.
If we were able to actually function as a society under socialist principles with strong protection in place 99% of people would be better off, i am in the 1% but almost no one else i care about is.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on May 4 2022 03:24am

Yea it's bad but people had what other options? They were deceived through advertising and marketing to buy bad products.
Also you need to account for total population %. Talking about 25million isn't heck of a lot considering the total world population has increased 5 or even 6 fold since then. So your have layers of deceptive statistics on top of numerous other cause which combined with the ones you claim capitalism is responsible directly. You need to assess the totality of situation like median income, standard of living, life span, accessibility etc. Cherry picking deceptive statistics isn't a sound way to conduct a comparison.

This post was edited by addone on May 4 2022 03:40am

sorry to break it to you, but when it comes to environmental pollution, the single worst offender in the history of mankind is the US - and by quite some margin.

i mean, it makes a lot of sense logically: as a rule of thumb, if you produce more, you pollute more. obviously it's a bit more complicated than that, the types of industry matter, environmental regulations put on them (still 80s standards in parts of the US btw), climate conditions (canadians or russians will always have higher baseline energy consumptions by default than the french or japanese for example, simply due to heating requirements), and also cultural factors (as in how you educate your children in terms of environmental awareness), although tbf, private consumption pales in comparison to industrial one in most nations.

just to be clear, i'm not saying the eastern bloc wasn't a dirty, run-down shithole, i'm just saying your anecdotal evidence and obvious political bias don't make for particularly compelling arguments. you can find easily find those kinds of pictures from the US, great britain, or western germany for example...

yes, you will find similar pictures from the industrial areas of western germany in the 1960s

however it was never as insane and capitalism provided the money and innovation to clean that shit up, the east still looked the same way and we are still spending dozens of billions for cleanup operations over 30 years after the unification

and still nowhere near finished

Well we aren't able to because people suck. I went to walmart yesterday when it was raining hard and the amount of shopping carts left in parking spots by neandrethals was depressing.