I've posted several sources already that prove promises were made. Not on paper but a promise is a promise.

You've proven to be quite the clown and incapable of realizing what a nuclear war would mean.

Here's another source, real, unbiased, from Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs.

"Promises" were not made BY NATO. Maybe you don't understand that in democratically elected countries, the policy positions of the governments change from one administration to the next, and that if you want to have a policy stay in effect, you get a treaty to enforce it? Do you think that if Donald Trump "promises" something to another country, and then he loses an election, and the next administration comes in and reserves course on Trump's policy, because you didn't get the promise in writing in a treaty, that you can complain that the USA "broke its promises?" FOH clown.

This post was edited by Santara on Mar 11 2022 04:58am

Just to reiterate how badly you got 360 no-scoped: any promises made to the Soviet Union were made by the Bush administration. And during the Bush administration, those promises were kept. In 1993 however, the Clinton administration was ushered in, and because there was no treaty, they were not bound by any "promises" made by the Bush administration, because the Bush administration was no longer the legal representative of the United States. So claiming that "promises were made" is just you and your fellow Russian trolls slinging shit at the wall in the hopes of seeing what sticks.

From what I understand. Ukraine does have US biolabs, however Putin hasn’t explicitly targeted them.

From what I understand, anything funded by the DOD this way is automatically classified as secret, so it is impossible to know exactly what they do.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on Mar 11 2022 05:58am

What's the measure of justification? Moral righteousness in the eyes of the almighty? A nebulous and undefinable sense of right and wrong? The arbitrarily decided international law, writ by whoever wins?
Russia has motives and self-interest, and those are its justification to invade, whether we agree with them or not. Putin has been opposing NATO expansion his entire life and NATO has been creeping up to Russia's doorstep, and the further the west encroached the more untenable the Russian borders became. We had Kissinger calling it out a decade ago that the more Putin was backed into the corner, he'd have to respond. And somehow Kissinger is still around despite writing that at age 90. But to Russia it doesn't matter if there were 'broken promises' or not, or who sinned first. Geopolitics aren't decided by Santa clause weighing whos been naughty and nice, who blames who, who was right or wrong. Its who can and who can't. And Russia will act while it still can act, and did.

I think maybe we are on the same side, but don't really know.
Cause I never read your wall of text posts.
Maybe you could work on being more concise?

Not an attack, just an opinion.
Do as you will.

This post was edited by sirthom on Mar 11 2022 07:37am

to be concise: I rarely have a side

There's a difference between "reason" as in " to give an excuse," and "reason" as in "the capacity of consciously applying logic by drawing conclusions from new or existing information, with the aim of seeking the truth."

Russia is engaged in the former, I am engaged in the latter. The truth of the matter is that Putin is seeking to reincorporate the Soviet Empire, but the EXCUSES he's giving are contrived.

And you think I didn't know that it was Clinton that spat on the promises that were made? He looked at Russia, saw that they were down and kicked them. Like expected from a democrat POS.

Clowns like you don't get it. This aint Afghanistan you can bomb into submission, Russia will give you some of your own medicine and just in case those 6K nukes might come in handy you dumb dumb.

Why don't you fuck off to Ukraine and join that foreign legion, go have that war that you're after and don't bring it here FFS. Nobody cares about stupid morons dying there. Ask Bryce Mitchell

You forgot to say "our own medicine," Ivan.