First off, thank you for your service. Doesn't matter who you served for.




Putin is just a playground bully running his mouth. If you actually think hed launch nukes I've got a "perm item with a source of trust me bro" to sell you. Why would he cause MAD when he's finally carrying out his plans? That's like pissing in the wind. Like you said, he convinced teenagers to go take a country and he needs to sound bigger than he actually is. Sounds more like he's literally playing the Trump card to get his way. You actually think he would launch nukes knowing the world is watching and ready?




Bolded: I'd love to see it. Let's see if he actually means what he says about nukes this way. Good idea.

The democrats being tough on America's enemies or the Democrat's enemies?

This post was edited by CrackerSJ on Mar 5 2022 07:25am

It doesn't make you nervous that his invasion is falling on its face, has only taken a few peripheral cities in a week, is gassed already, and their economy is worse than the collapse of the Soviet Union? We're going to have to send them food for humanitarian aid. Russia doesn't produce food, and it is failing at being a rapine economy by attacking its neighbors and taking their stuff and they have nuclear weapons, and they're now unable to buy food. They will either start selling them (nukes) or using them rather than not exist. Vladimir Putin has already stated that the world in which he doesn't rule Russia and Russia isn't a dominate superpower isn't useful to him.

But you aren't nervous about Putin readying his nuclear arsenal as he is realizing his invasion is going to fail miserably and his life is on the line? If he pulls out he is dead for sure and if he commits when he will use everything in his tool box to win.

That's why I don't like candidates like Putin or Trump, they have small man's syndrome, and as Gore Vidal said, if you give a pansy a gun they will shoot everything.

A-10 was hyperbolic. But it is true that the Dems are the only ones calling the attack on democracy what it is. This is because American conservatives will abandon democracy before conservatism and sympathize with Putin because he is authoritarian, anti-gay, and pro-having religion married to state.

You are operating on logic. I don't think Putin is operating on logic anymore. I think it is his little man syndrome and a terminal diagnosis.

There is likely talk of something "happening" to him within the Russian elite.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 5 2022 07:34am

Not nervous at all outside of China getting their grasp on Russia and helping. You also act as if the US and other NATO members haven't readied their nuclear armaments and defenses. I'm sure there's tech that hasn't been released to the public to prevent MAD.
How can you be so scared of a man that has a bounty on his head? Don't you think the same ones who put that bounty will off him to protect their interests in maintaining their power and money? Do you not remember the story of the Russian submariner who avoided nuking because he felt it wasn't right? You really think that the people in charge of Russian nukes are going to allow 10s of millions of innocents to die? It's just putin who's unhinged and scared his time is up so he's showboating.
Ukraine had their NATO admittance letter accepted for review right? I think that letter sends a stronger signal than any threat of nukes putin could put out.

The only thing I'm truly nervous about is Taiwan. Russia is on its death bed and readying a nuclear arsenal is just a cry for help.

You keep contradicting yourself.
Is putin calling the shots or is he scared for his life from the oligarchs?
And yes I heard about the "brain tumor"

This post was edited by CrackerSJ on Mar 5 2022 07:45am

Well the cries for help I'm used to nowadays is people cutting on themselves, taking too many pills, or trying to hang themselves. Or melodramatic facebook posts leading to a 911 call lol. I've seen some explosive cries for help though.

I hope you're right. This world reaction is the model for action in Taiwan if China attacks them. The difference there is, I guess, is that China's entire population is concentrated in several coastal cities that are sitting ducks.



You can put both on a Venn diagram if you aren't mentally rigid. The answer is Yes, both. He is calling the shots from the end of a 60 foot table and people have to sit on the other end, in a bunker because his people will assassinate him.

/e table is about 60 foot, not meters. that would be incredible.

A venn diagram is a drawing that shows the relationship among things.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 5 2022 07:47am

Non bolded: There's a reason china is egging Russia on and its for what you stated. They want to see the reaction. But the reactions will be quite different as we don't have as much a stake in Ukraine as we do Taiwan. Although Bidens SotU did address Taiwan in the form of passively saying we'd allow it to be taken by its going to take years and an extreme amount of resources we probably don't have access too currently to build the infrastructure to replace Taiwan.

Bolded: I was pretty linear in my thinking with this for the reason of: I don't understand how someone could put a bounty on PUTINS head yet still think "let this man be our figurehead". Doesn't make any sense to me. It needs to be one or the other. A 60 foot(corrected) table is no match for a coup with bullets.

Also there's no need for passive aggressive comments. Not saying you are. Just a heads up incase someone chimes in. I may get things wrong but I'm here to voice my opinion and gains other's opinions to help better my own.

This post was edited by CrackerSJ on Mar 5 2022 07:54am

I think one of the more realistic and sensible outcomes for this conflict is Ukraine being split in half, with everything east of the Dnipro forming a pro-Russian satellite state in the mold of the "people's republics of Donezk and Luhansk". This would actually be sufficient for Russia to achieve all it's long-term strategic objectives:

- make sure there is a buffer between the Russian border and a potential EU or NATO country
- create a land connection between Russia and Crimea
- control the land which controls the water supplies for Crimea



On top of these Russio-centric aspects, it would also be the logical conclusion to the political polarization in Ukraine. Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, virtually all elections and referendums in Ukraine fell along the same geographic lines, with the Eastern half of the country having stronger affinity for Russia and authoritarianism and the Western half being oriented toward the West and liberal democracy. Instead of being a torn country in which around one half of the population is necessarily unhappy with the political direction of the country, such a split could allow a much larger majority of Ukrainians to see their vision of their country's future realized, and also bring peace to the conflict with Russia.





This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 5 2022 09:39pm

That's neither realistic nor sensible lol. Do you think the Ukrainian government is going to allow Russia to take it's entire coastline and natural resources? What kind of fucking fantasy world do you live in? A much more realistic scenario is that all of Ukraine becomes a Russian puppet state.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian government is gonna have any say in this matter? At this point, apart from Putin being killed by a genuine stroke (opening a face-saving way out of this conflict for the Russians), there is no way Ukraine can win this war. Holding on to Kyiv and a rump state attached to is is about the best the Ukrainian government can realistically hope for.

Yes, Ukraine becoming a Russian puppet state is the most likely outcome, but my split-country scenario imho comes right after as the 2nd most likely scenario.

I think one of two things happen. The Ukrainian government is destroyed in which case the country won't split or a really long drawn out war. If it's a long drawn out war, how long do you think Russia can last? Their economy is fucked and the West is giving them free shit and will continue to do so.