oj man bad, as always most common denominator

sure, after trump unilaterally withdrew from the open skies treaty during his last days in office, as a last little present to his master pootin, even though the ukrainians begged him not to that. and who could forget about trump denying ukraine congressionally approved military aid, something he was impeached for? oh right, he also lifted sanctions against russia previously, sanctions that BOTH parties agreed to. yes, i am sure the snivelling coward, the draft dodging moron, who told the world press that he believed pootin over his own intelligence services, the man-child who famously defended pootin for murdering journalists, would have prevented this. how delusional can you be?

Putin invaded Georgia during GWB's presidency.
Putin annexed Crimea and invaded eastern Ukraine during Obama's presidency.
Putin invaded the rest of Ukraine during Biden's presidency.

Yet somehow, liberals and their media allies wanna make us believe that Trump is the problem and that he is the one who was too soft on Russia.
Also note that Trump tried to get European NATO members to increase their defense spending and that he was sending Ukraine the anti-tank and anti-air missiles that Obama had denied them and that are saving their ass right now.



Context is important. He refused to believe his "own" intelligence services whose top brass was in more or less open revolt against his presidency and tried to undermine him at every step.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 18 2022 07:40am

the take-away is that Putin feared Trump was erratic enough to start WW3 and maybe even go Nuclear in response to Putin aggression, if we're being soft and saying there's no Putin/Trump ties and coordination.

not exactly a good thing even if we deem trump "not a problem".

-Trump ignores demands by Ukrainian terrorists that bombed Lugansk & Donetsk for 8 years?
Chad, we don't negotiate with terrorists!

-Trump does not give foreign country free money?
absolute Chad, homeless people in USA rotting in the street are in dire need of their country's resources.

-Trump professional diplomat, lifted sanctions which caused Russia to stay peaceful under his term?
Chad, the current Left-wing trash does the opposite with ZERO success, proving Trump was right.

-Trump dodged draft you say?
Chad, first openly ANTI-WAR president in USA history. #gunskillpeople #neveragain

-Trump chose not to believe the local USA alphabet "intelligence" agencies that lied about WMD's in Iraq and needlessly cause regime changes all over the globe?
Chad, adopting the REAL Left-Wing foreign policy to great effect!

All banter and partisan bickering aside, I really don't think that Putin feared Trump. His state finances are just utterly dependent on oil prices, which went through a slump from 2013 through 2021. And the military intervention in Syria tied up crucial military resources from 2015 until some point in 2019 or 2020.

A full-blown invasion of a large country like Ukraine requires far more resources than annexing a small peninsula, arming separatists or invading a tiny place like Georga. Putin pulled the trigger on such a full-blown invasion pretty much as soon as the window of opportunity opened up. I genuinely don't think that the person in the White House played or plays any role in this decision.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 18 2022 07:57am

i do think Trump's act as anti-interventionist would have been seriously challenged if he was POTUS in this Ukraine crisis. but imo he'd have just sold them weapons most likely and sold it as good for the USA economy while making a rant about NATO and trying to spin this as proof he was right about NATO without explaining what he even means.

I have no real idea how this crisis would have played out under Trump. There would definitely have been such a strong bipartisan consensus that Putin in the aggressor that Trump couldn't have stuck with his comparatively Putin-friendly stance. He definitely wouldn't have intervened directly. I believe that he would have sent javelins and such to Ukraine. So maybe the Western response wouldn't look all that different than under Biden.

The big wildcard is if Trump would have tried to close the ranks of the West and push for heavy economic sanctions, and if he would have ramped up NATO presence in Eastern Europe as much as Biden did. So my answer is probably that the immediate crisis would have played out similarly under Trump. but that the aftermatch of this war might look very different.

oh sure, and why did he then try to walk it back after after he had done the damage publicly? not that it's even remotely true that all US intelligence services, who unanimously agreed on the FACT that russia interfered with the elections, were "in open revolt" against him, preposterous. in that case he still could have refused to comment, or said that he's critical about their assessments, without having to outright side with pootin. if you want to do context, do it properly, not your half-assed trump apologism...

also, it was perfectly in line with his previous comments, protecting pootin from allegations of having journalists murdered.

just because pootin was shrewd enough to invade AFTER trump's presidency, after trump had significantly weakened ukraine's position, doesn't mean that's his successor's fault. regarding NATO, trump repeatedly tried to weaken it, repeatedly snubbing his allies while cozying up to dictators and despots. the push for increased defence spending was simply a service to his domestic political allies and donors in the defence industry, and he wasn't particularly subtle about it, i vaguely remember one of his insane rants about it. to now suggest he did it because he was interested in strengthening the alliance is highly dishonest revisionist history.

Exactly, the prize became a little tainted with that one, lol. Just what the duck 😭😂

(Idk about the number of drone attacks but over here in Sweden he was called bombama.)

This post was edited by TidsL on Mar 18 2022 08:41am