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#21
Mar 2 2022 12:08am
Quote (MadMan87 @ 2 Mar 2022 04:54)
Can someone explain why Putin would refer to the current Ukrainian leadership as Neo-Nazis? I was under the impression the current Ukrainian President is a Jew.


Very simple. Just one more made up excuse why he should invade ukranie and protect the innocent ppl from big evil ukranie. Putin himself couldnt care less.

In reality there are some of these wannabe nazi symphatizers among the millitary, so there is some truth to it. Ukranie leadership seems to tolerate these groups and ppl.
Fact is in almost all countries have some of these type of ppl who are proud to decorate their millitary equipment with swastikas. In US for example even many ppl of the police force are doing the same.

Btw apparently chopstickz was banned from this subforum.
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Mar 2 2022 12:31am
I don't believe that the majority of Ukrainians have anything to do with this.

News and people like to put things under a microscope and shout LOOK HERE IS THE PROBLEM while the microscope is focus on a tiny portion of the broad image.
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Mar 2 2022 02:46am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 2 2022 06:21am)
So white supremist groups are a problem or no?


What's wrong with you crossbones :wacko:

This thread is not dealing with so called "systemical racism" in the US or so called "white supremacy" in the US. These terms are used to push a certain agenda.

It's about far right elements in Ukraine's government and army. You should check for yourself there are plenty Western sources available. Point out similar nazi battalions in the US government and army to prove your point, I'll wait.
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#24
Mar 2 2022 04:53am
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 1 2022 10:09pm)
No problem, you're apparently to dumb to figure this stuff out so let me help you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4


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Mar 2 2022 04:56am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 1 2022 10:09pm)
The Ukrainian nationalists have been historically entangled with Nazis, born partly out of expedience of opposing Soviet communism but also out of some sincere shared ideology. During the occupation of Ukraine by the Nazis, many collaborated in hopes of establishing an independent Ukraine, viewing the Nazis as liberators. And some nationalist factions in Ukraine have continued overt neo-nazism, notably the Azov Battalion based in Mariupol who were mobilized in 2014 against the breakaway ethnic Russian republics. They don't hide it, their symbol is an SS cross. And they are an official part of the armed forces of Ukraine. Just two years ago the US congress was pushing a bill to designate them as a foreign terrorist organization, today congress is trying to send them weapons and supplies.
Russian propaganda seeks to exploit these associations and affiliations to tar the entire Ukrainian administration with its most noxious elements. Its a pretty transparent channeling of the cancel culture methods and rhetoric of the past few years- even those Ukrainian nationalists who aren't neo-Nazis themselves are associated with neo-Nazis they refuse to disavow. Its not Russia stirring up an accusation out of thin air, they're trying to stretch and exploit an existing undercurrent of nazism present in ukraine in order to take the moral high ground in propaganda.



Excellent summary
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#26
Mar 2 2022 04:59am
Quote (MadMan87 @ Mar 1 2022 10:25pm)
Is he not a Jew? No grasping going on here. I’m asking for a legit explanation as to how a Jew can be a Neo-Nazi.



There is non. It’s the same as calling people racist because they are white. Some people in the United States actually believe if you are white you are immediately racist. Some people also believe if you associate with nazis (Ukrainian President), then you are a nazi as well
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Mar 2 2022 05:35am
Quote (Santara @ Mar 2 2022 11:53am)
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Sucks when you're out of arguments hmm

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It played a major role in the 2014 Ukrainian revolution and Euromaidan protests


Remember those "peacefull protests" at Maidan square?

:rolleyes:

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Mar 2 2022 06:22am
Quote (MadMan87 @ Mar 1 2022 10:54pm)
Can someone explain why Putin would refer to the current Ukrainian leadership as Neo-Nazis? I was under the impression the current Ukrainian President is a Jew.


Putin attacked a country with a jewish president and bombed a holocaust memorial and killed the people working there to denazify Ukraine.
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#29
Mar 2 2022 06:31am
Being Nazi and being Jew is not mutually exclusive.
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#30
Mar 2 2022 07:38am
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 2 2022 05:35am)
Sucks when you're out of arguments hmm





Remember those "peacefull protests" at Maidan square?

:rolleyes:


When your argument is weak as fuck, it's not like I need a big counter-argument.
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