Quote (Vastet @ Feb 28 2022 09:23pm)

The morality of Russia's actions aren't relevant to Russia's legitimate security concerns. I don't support Russia's actions, but I do understand them and the motivations behind them.

Quote (massmarines @ 28 Feb 2022 12:47)

And sanctions changed it :o

/s

Quote (Crunkt @ Feb 28 2022 11:40pm)

um yes sanctions made them the shithole countries they are today wtf are you talking about

Quote (SanduLungu @ 28 Feb 2022 17:09)

what are his security concerns? putin's I mean.

the rocket shield in Romania will continue to be there.

he will still have his slave regime in belarus.

with or without this war, it would have been the same. just a lot of people not dead on both sides.

realitiscally, it was biden who shoudl have said, no ukraine you can't join nato.

even though that is a bit nonsensical since ukraine is a free country.

they should have let ukraine apply and the alliance saying no.

Quote (Vastet @ Feb 28 2022 11:12pm)

NATO won't have even more forces on Russia's borders. It isn't about forcing NATO backwards, Russia can't force NATO backwards. All it can do is draw a line saying no further.
I generally agree. It didn't even have to be public. NATO could have said everything behind the scenes with no visible fallout. Even put a time table on things. We won't allow Ukraine in for 20 years guaranteed, to be revisited in 20 years. Even that would have relieved pressure without actually conceding anything to Russia. Even if Ukraine appealed to the public with the declaration, a Russian/NATO joint statement to the contrary would have shut down all but conspiracy theories.

Quote (SanduLungu @ 28 Feb 2022 18:51)

so how does this work? if mongolia wants to join nato tomorrow (for the sake of the argument, I know mongolia is a barren wasteland with only 3 million inhabitants), russia is ok to steamroll its tanks in mongolia?

what about sweden and so on.

it is ridiculous.

lets be serious, the only issue nato has with russia its its nuclear arsenal.

its clear today that russia's regular army is a joke.

USA would absolutely stomp russia in a 1v1 war (without nuclear nukes). let alone UK, France, Germany and so on.

what would happen if ukraine would indeed join nato? does anyone actually think there will be an nato invasion from ukraine into russia? :D

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unfortunately in our case, pussy bitch biden did not discuss with putin (he had weeks) to clearly state, lets revisit in X years as oyu suggested.

because again lets be serious, nato is basically run by USA and has been since forever.

Quote (massmarines @ 28 Feb 2022 17:55)

Oh wow, great result.

Maybe useless is the wrong word, if your goal is to ruin entire countries go for it.

Quote (Crunkt @ Mar 1 2022 01:35am)

There is this game the world plays called free market economy and if you want to fuck with the game then you can't play the game anymore.

Theya re shithole countries not directly because of the sanctions but because free market economy country playing the game looks so much better than those shitholes countries

Quote (massmarines @ 28 Feb 2022 19:38)

Germany started 2 world wars and still is playing the game.