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Feb 26 2022 07:12pm
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Mostly because a US/Russia war ends the world. No narcissist who loves themselves would ever tempt that fate.

What should the potus have done early on that may have prevented Russia invading? Putin has been going after Ukraine since 2014.
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It's different when Putin has home court advantage. In Ukraine, he doesn't.



Yes but if the US got directly involved the measures Putin would take would be a lot more extreme. I honestly think he wants the US to get involved.
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What should the potus have done early on that may have prevented Russia invading? Putin has been going after Ukraine since 2014.



I’d have rushed their membership to EU and NATO. Putin would bitch and complain and throw threats around but he wouldn’t have invaded then.
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Yes but if the US got directly involved the measures Putin would take would be a lot more extreme. I honestly think he wants the US to get involved.


Quote (MadMan87 @ Feb 26 2022 04:46pm)
I do feel if the US had a president that swung his third leg a little more he’d have thought twice.


So, should the usa get involved or not?
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So, should the usa get involved or not?


By default via NATO yes.
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Feb 26 2022 07:17pm
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I’d have rushed their membership to EU and NATO. Putin would bitch and complain and throw threats around but he wouldn’t have invaded then.


Gotcha. Problem is, all the countries have to agree to let them join NATO. France and Germany have been against Ukraine joining in the past. With everything going on, maybe it finally changes.

"To meet one of the three main criteria for entry into NATO, a European nation must demonstrate a commitment to democracy, individual liberty and support for the rule of law."
In a 2020 analysis, Transparency International, an anticorruption watchdog, ranked Ukraine 117th out of 180 countries on its corruption index, lower than any NATO nation.

This post was edited by said_aouita on Feb 26 2022 07:20pm
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Gotcha. Problem is, all the countries have to agree to let them join NATO. France and Germany have been against Ukraine joining in the past. With everything going on, maybe it finally changes.



Definitely changes since both are sending equipment to them now. Putin made a very big humanitarian interest mistake in the long term. I wouldn’t be surprised to see notoriously neutral countries like Finland and Sweden join too now.
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. I wouldn’t be surprised to see notoriously neutral countries like Finland and Sweden join too now.


That's great. A bunch of skinny cross country skiers, armed with Swiss pocket knives. That'll help....
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That's great. A bunch of skinny cross country skiers, armed with Swiss pocket knives. That'll help....



25th and 59th most powerful militaries in the world. Not substantial but 25th isn’t exactly anything to scoff at.

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Do any of you who said the Russian Invasion was paranoia or propaganda feel foolish yet? Or is there still narcissistic ego shielding you from admittance of naivety?


It was their JOB to say those things. Not because they believed them, but because they're complicit in the invasion.
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