Quote (Santara @ Feb 16 2022 06:40am)

The existence of guns may ENABLE those, but they certainly don't CAUSE them.

Fucking clowns using your argument are precisely why the counter-argument "guns don't kill people, people kill people" comes from.

Quote (Santara @ 16 Feb 2022 15:57)

I bought my Remington 870DM a couple years ago for about 350. It currently costs more just to get a new magazine for it.

Quote (Sh00p @ 16 Feb 2022 16:03)

I guess if I sell nuclear warheads to terrorists im not resposible for what they might try to do with them. Maybe we should just give them the benefit of the doubt and they only want to decorate them like a festive christmas tree!

Quote (Sh00p @ Feb 16 2022 10:03am)

I guess if I sell nuclear warheads to terrorists im not resposible for what they might try to do with them. Maybe we should just give them the benefit of the doubt and they only want to decorate them like a festive christmas tree!

Quote (Sh00p @ Feb 16 2022 09:03am)

I guess if I sell nuclear warheads to terrorists im not resposible for what they might try to do with them. Maybe we should just give them the benefit of the doubt and they only want to decorate them like a festive christmas tree!

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Quote (fender @ Feb 16 2022 09:17am)

don't forget to accompany your sale with decades of marketing campaigns, cultivating an image of manliness and freedom for owning and using nuclear warheads, spending billions in lobbying efforts to keep those warheads legal and unregulated, as well as paying politicians to introduce legislation banning the government from funding even just research into the impact of nuclear warhead proliferation in society...

but hey, no one could reasobably conclude from all this that you had any share of responsibility, it's just capitalism at work, right? nothing objectionable...

Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 16 2022 12:47am)

What precedent is set when clearly, undeniably frivolous lawsuits can be brought on the basis of prejudice and emotional bias alone, and extort a $73 million settlement despite no malfeasance- even after congress passed a law explicitly trying to stop these exact kinds of frivolous liability-by-osmosis lawsuits in this specific case? Its basically saying that the civil law system is so totally bonkers that anyone can litigate anything for any reason as long as the support among potential jurors exists.

Its hard to overstate just how incredibly bonkers this case was. Trying to create liability for a murder because the defendant.... used masculine themes in advertising? On the argument it would appeal to a murderer who didn't even buy the weapon or view that advertising. The entire concept of proximate causation was thrown out the window. It became the equivalent of "I don't like your face, therefore you caused 9/11". About as much causation.

Quote (thesnipa @ 16 Feb 2022 16:46)

nuclear warheads have 1 purpose, i guess 2 if you count deterrance from invasion as a purpose. guns have many purposes. hunting, self defense, sport shooting, investment, and of course murder/crime.

Quote (Santara @ 16 Feb 2022 17:11)

Trash analogy.



Well, maybe if they didn't have to spend millions on legal defense over frivolous lawsuits like this one, they wouldn't be in bankruptcy. But that's the whole point for the gun grabbers: bankrupt the gun manufacturers via litigation costs.



Guns are heavily regulated in the US. Just because they're not the same regulations as the rest of you doesn't mean they're "unregulated."

Quote (fender @ Feb 16 2022 12:03pm)

a gun has one primary purpose, which it was invented, designed, and opimised for: to kill.

just because you can find other purposes (you could easily do that for nuclear warheads: warhead stacking competitions, dissuade alien invasions, save earth from asteroids, even better self defence...) doesn't mean the analogy is bad.



nice try to nitpick your way out of the main argument, but still a fail, l2r. i am not saying guns are entirely unregulated, i'm saying that gun manufacturers spent billions to lobby for as few regulations as possible. feel free to address the rest, oh right, you won't, because it'd topple your flimsy "frivolous lawsuit" claim...