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#21
Dec 27 2021 07:26pm
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Dec 27 2021 07:22pm)
Last one :)


You haven't seen evidence because you are determined not to see it. Read again, and a third time if you have to. It's all right there. Drop the dishonesty and allow your critical thinking to actually take hold. So far all you've done is avoid the argument ;)
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Dec 27 2021 07:26pm
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Dec 27 2021 07:01pm)
Hello,

While I will never be able to help with the assurance that a higher power is 100% real (neither can evolutionists assure their theory is 100% real either), I usually default to this very simple question which makes logical sense.

Our earth is just the right distance from the sun to harbor how many different life forms? A fraction closer, and we'd be KFC. A fraction further away, and we'd be ice cream bars. That doesn't even begin to take into account all of the extremely intricate mechanisms that go into sustaining the earth itself, providing a constant stream of necessary "air" (for multiple lifeforms -- not everything breathes oxygen and flora actually make use of our exhales to create more oxygen), the internal workings of bodies and the astounding number of biological complexities that go into the creation of new life. The right mixture of gases to ensure we can retain the sun's heat but not become Venus 2.0. There are thousands of other intricacies perfectly planned to "keep earth spinning" that aren't mentioned here as well, as it would be an entire novel.

When I think of that, I ask myself -- does it take more faith to believe all of this occurred out of the random explosion from a single dot in space for some reason at some point, or that perhaps, just maybe, a higher power had some sort of involvement in this?

Logic kind of answers that for me.


https://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS
a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

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Dec 27 2021 07:28pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 27 2021 08:26pm)
You haven't seen evidence because you are determined not to see it. Read again, and a third time if you have to. It's all right there. Drop the dishonesty and allow your critical thinking to actually take hold. So far all you've done is avoid the argument ;)


Idk about you but it's refreshing to see content from 10 years ago all over again.
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#24
Dec 27 2021 07:30pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 27 2021 07:28pm)
Idk about you but it's refreshing to see content from 10 years ago all over again.


I must admit, that's the only reason why I'm engaging. A sense of nostalgia for my edgy atheist 20's.

Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 27 2021 07:26pm)
https://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS
a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


Almost like he's just really dishonest and not actually looking for answers. No, that can't be.
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Dec 27 2021 08:22pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 27 2021 08:26pm)
https://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS
a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.



Look up fine tuning theory and compare it with the probability of it happening randomly.
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#26
Dec 27 2021 08:39pm
Potentially a great thing to explore with your therapist. May be worth considering to do some introspection as to why a faith/spiritual element is important to you, what would be different for you should you have such an experience, and whether you have a general openness to the divine/spiritual or if you have specific expectations of a specific deity.
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#27
Dec 27 2021 08:41pm
Religion only works for some people.

It is philosophical suicide though.

But philosophy only works for some people.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 27 2021 09:22pm)
Look up fine tuning theory and compare it with the probability of it happening randomly.


All that Aquinas stuff has been addressed.

Nietzsche was right about God. You don't live your life according to religious facts. It would be weird to do so, live in a cloister and take an oath of poverty lol.

Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Dec 27 2021 07:38pm)
I added my responses in bold above :)

Oh and sorry - an edit I realize I missed above. Scientific Method does not allow evolutionary scientists to claim something to be factually true without factual evidence which is something they can never produce in these cases.

Hence -- evolution will always remain a theory, even in science's eyes :)


What is posited without evidence is dismissible without evidence. There is just no reason to make things up.

Electricity Gremlins are pretty sweet tho.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 27 2021 08:47pm
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Dec 27 2021 08:58pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 27 2021 09:22pm)
Look up fine tuning theory and compare it with the probability of it happening randomly.


well aware of it, define the argument in your own words and we'll go from there
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#29
Dec 27 2021 09:15pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 27 2021 08:22pm)
Look up fine tuning theory and compare it with the probability of it happening randomly.


The odds of the universe looking like its fine tuned when its not is 100%
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#30
Dec 27 2021 09:25pm
Another religious discussion goes in hard without taking human suffering into account of a being whose supposed to love them.

Also all the blabbering on about space, thats why we sent up the jwst.
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