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Dec 18 2021 12:42pm
Quote (sirthom @ 18 Dec 2021 10:34)
Who's an atheist?

Strange call out considering your obvious pedo profile page.


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Dec 18 2021 01:06pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Dec 18 2021 12:22pm)
thankfully this is a topic where many people will draw a line in the sand

they are not better and never will be

short distance city driving without winter conditions is the only thing they are useful for


This is, in my opinion, incorrect.

Current AI works best when other cars are predictable. That's on highways where changes in speed are relatively gradual and things can be seen from far away.

Also, AI training time is basically in its Moore's Law phase. Training times are being halved every year as better algorithms are implemented and more and more companies are comissioning AI optimized computer chips.

IMO we are going to quickly move away from the past of "general purpose computing" and move to a situation where every computer has multiple processing modules for certain tasks, and whole server farms are optimized for one process. This will effectively revive Moore's Law and keep us going into a new age of computing.

That's my opinion on self-driving cars and AI more generally.



But "you don't know anything" goes way further than cars. It's seeped into everything. Software as a service is a great example. You don't own your adobe program, you license it for a yearly fee. Rentals are becoming the dominant mode of living. Same thing.
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Dec 18 2021 01:29pm
Quote (sirthom @ 18 Dec 2021 18:17)
Can you not see a time coming where no one can drive them selves at all.
You are only allowed to go to approved areas.
If you do not comply with anything and everything you are told.
The car will not come for you or lock you inside and take to a camp or jail?
All a massive step to totalitarianism.
I see these things and much worse coming.

The government is not like your parents.
They do not have your best interests in mind.


Oh, "they" are probably much, FUCKING MUCH, better than a complete sellout corrupted weak libertarian "governement" selling the ass of his country and the balls of his roads to China or Whatever.
Spitting in the soup.
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Dec 18 2021 01:31pm
If the technology becomes such that it's better in every single way then sure. Also I do like electric vehicles in general it's a technology we should of adapted instead of fossil fuels years ago
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Dec 18 2021 01:51pm
Electric cars are much less attractive in USA due lower gas price.
In europe sales are truely exploding.

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Dec 18 2021 02:35pm
Quote (SBD @ Dec 18 2021 07:35pm)
In their current state. I love the old single banger one cylinder sleds and I love the smell of gas and oil ripping along at 150km on a two stroke but for passanger vehicles where the form factor is much larger it's not a question of will electric vehicles do 2000 miles on a charge. It's when.

Look at the pc from the 1960s and 1970s it was a big as your house. That same computing power is now less than the size of your thumb nail.

It's when not if.


thats because computing tech had so much room to grow, batteries do not

you can only store so much electrical energy in batteries, the energy density is limited unless somebody reinvents physics

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 18 2021 08:06pm)
This is, in my opinion, incorrect.

Current AI works best when other cars are predictable. That's on highways where changes in speed are relatively gradual and things can be seen from far away.

Also, AI training time is basically in its Moore's Law phase. Training times are being halved every year as better algorithms are implemented and more and more companies are comissioning AI optimized computer chips.

IMO we are going to quickly move away from the past of "general purpose computing" and move to a situation where every computer has multiple processing modules for certain tasks, and whole server farms are optimized for one process. This will effectively revive Moore's Law and keep us going into a new age of computing.

That's my opinion on self-driving cars and AI more generally.



But "you don't know anything" goes way further than cars. It's seeped into everything. Software as a service is a great example. You don't own your adobe program, you license it for a yearly fee. Rentals are becoming the dominant mode of living. Same thing.


i am sure the average dude in minnesota will be happy about his car having some useless AI, when he cant even get started in the winter

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 18 2021 08:51pm)
Electric cars are much less attractive in USA due lower gas price.
In europe sales are truely exploding.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/FT_21.05.21_ElectricVehicles_1.png


in germany its just to grab the state subsidies, people buy hybrids and drive them like normal cars ^_^

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Dec 18 2021 02:56pm
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Not sure how much I believe someone who needs three edits to properly spell a third grade word correctly on anything.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Dec 18 2021 12:54pm)
Electric cars weight much more like 30% more, brakes are also producing a large part of micro-particles... Doesn't means we have to bitch about vehicles replacement.

Electric cars can do million kilometers minus battery replacement. Battery technology could evolve soon into something much better.

Hybrid and Electric cars sales are exploding here. Assholes polluting with old cars will have to build their own roads or to pay some extra super heavy CO2 taxe, it's perfectly logical that they will have no right to drive with old models.

Basically: pollution isn't something you can do for free, adapt or die.



We pay a huge tax on vehicles deemed inefficient in the US. Last new car I purchased was almost $6,000 more because of this tax alone.

How about you enjoy your battery powered car and I absolutely will pay a little extra for a gasoline powered car.

And maybe people who drive electric cars can shut the fuck up about how smug they are. Not saying you but you know the type.
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Dec 18 2021 03:13pm
Quote (SBD @ Dec 18 2021 09:09am)
If I was American that's where I would live. No contest.

Eventually I'll move further south and live in the Yukon right next door but High Arctic has so much to offer right now.


I lived in Fairbanks for 16 years. I was really miserable there because almost no daylight in the middle of winter. The cold, I can tolerate but fuck the 20 hour long nights. Never living in Alaska again.

I wouldn't mind living in B.C., though. Drove through that territory once and it was gorgeous.
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Dec 18 2021 03:22pm
Quote (pwb3 @ Dec 18 2021 02:13pm)
I lived in Fairbanks for 16 years. I was really miserable there because almost no daylight in the middle of winter. The cold, I can tolerate but fuck the 20 hour long nights. Never living in Alaska again.

I wouldn't mind living in B.C., though. Drove through that territory once and it was gorgeous.


I already live way further north than Fairbanks. I'm well adjusted to the darkness. I'm still out on the sleds daily.

BC is beautiful. Kootenay-Rockies is amazing. But also northern BC. Big rivers and mountains, bueautiful weather.

Fairbanks is the population of all of Nunavut though. Im good with living in fly in only communitys with sub 2k people. City life is miserable.

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