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Dec 7 2021 10:51pm
Y’all realize the title of this thread is not even close to a quote from the article right? No, you don’t and just jump on the race card.

What he actually said, disregarding the extremely misleading thread title which tricked all of you into talking about racism and elitism without even reading the article, is that good smart people think there are too many people in the world. I can’t even quote this honestly because the article itself only puts quotations around good smart people then the author fills in the rest of the sentence, so I am not even convinced they are being honest.

This article is basically paraphrasing Elon musk saying too many people don’t want to have kids because of climate change fears.

Seriously guys, do better >_>
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Dec 8 2021 12:17am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 8 Dec 2021 05:42)
Intelligence is heritable, but that doesn't mean it's genetic, and even if it is genetic that doesn't speak at all to the prevalence of gene combinations that produce higher intelligence in the general population.

Heritability just means "passes from one generation to the next". Doesn't mean "Genetically heritable".

That's just not true. I just googled it and all sources confirm the term heritability to refer to the degree that genetic variability explains differences in phenotype, as opposed to environmental factors such as nutrition, upbringing or memetics.

https://www.britannica.com/science/heritability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability

So either all these definitions are incorrect, or your claim that "heritability" is an umbrella term which refers to any form of passing on traits from one generation to the next is plain wrong.


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The current state of the literature is that upbringing has a much higher impact on intelligence. You can move your intelligence by like a full standard deviation by just being on an empty stomach and having money trouble.

Sure, I already alluded to the upbringing factor. However, I thought that science had recently moved slightly toward the genetic component playing a larger role than previously thought. Still less than 50% genetics, to be sure, but more than just a negligible amount.

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Dec 8 2021 12:24am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 8 2021 12:17am)
I just googled it and all sources confirm the term heritability to refer to the degree that genetic variability explains differences in phenotype, as opposed to environmental factors such as nutrition, upbringing or memetics.

https://www.britannica.com/science/heritability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability

So either all these definitions are incorrect, or your claim that "heritability" is an umbrella term which refers to any form of passing on traits from one generation to the next is plain wrong.

Sure, I already alluded to the upbringing factor. However, I thought that science had recently moved slightly toward the genetic component playing a larger role than previously thought. Still less than 50% genetics, to be sure, but more than just a negligible amount.


In statistics and such heritability doesn't purely refer to genes. It refers to anything that can pass down.
Additionally, genetic heritability is not purely genetic because it requires accounting for other factors. For instance, if you are measuring heritability of height on a plant and give it good soil, height might be highly heritable, but if you give each plant poor soil so they can only grow a few inches, then height isn't going to be heritable at all. Heritability is dependent on circumstance, and circumstance is also frequently heritable.
It's a more complex topic than simply genetic differences, but that isn't going to be captured in a dictionary definition.

The answer to the question of "does genetics impact intelligence" is "yes, absolutely. Downs syndrome exists". But the answer to the question "are genes a significant factor in intelligence in an otherwise normal individual when compared to other easily changeable factors like upbringing, financial circumstance, and day of testing" is "no".

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Dec 8 2021 12:29am
Why didn’t he abort his progeny then?
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Dec 8 2021 02:21am
It means he only wants intelligent white people to procreate the human race. God it's obvious or are you not white?
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Dec 8 2021 02:32am
Quote (fender @ Dec 8 2021 09:11am)
he's not fundamentally wrong with his analysis (after all it's based on actual scientific studies) - it's generally correct that highly educated people are having fewer (and later) children.

in typical musk fashion, however, his conclusions are somewhat simplistic and tone deaf, as he (unsurprisingly) fails to realise that people like him - unapologetic advocates, beneficiaries, and exploiters of certain economic systems and mechanisms - bear a main responsibility for not only those fears, but also the struggles and pressures (financial / societal / time) of having (more) children.


Sorry fender he means people like you shouldn't procreate it only slows down the rest the human race. You can cry about it and rofl at even attempting to sound smart.
What are you even talking about, you are so out of touch it's frightening. Just read back what you just typed. Also what has your kind accomplished that even remotely compares to musk? Here you are calling musk simplistic, tone deaf...
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Dec 8 2021 05:19am
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Dec 7 2021 11:51pm)
Y’all realize the title of this thread is not even close to a quote from the article right? No, you don’t and just jump on the race card.

What he actually said, disregarding the extremely misleading thread title which tricked all of you into talking about racism and elitism without even reading the article, is that good smart people think there are too many people in the world. I can’t even quote this honestly because the article itself only puts quotations around good smart people then the author fills in the rest of the sentence, so I am not even convinced they are being honest.

This article is basically paraphrasing Elon musk saying too many people don’t want to have kids because of climate change fears.

Seriously guys, do better >_>


This is a cop-out. The earth can sustain more people but not the lifestyle and the economy would have to be very different. That scares them plus other factors like this current culture in which divorce is pretty high
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Dec 8 2021 06:26am
I think he means that you need to be smart as a child to raise yourself and if you're a child of Elon Musk who has seven kids being raised by three or four different women who probably struggle to recognize him during their interactions.

Dude is trying so hard to go to Mars to avoid paying his taxes while being abusive to people who work for him.

He is all up on cryptocurrency too, which is Mary Kay for young men, so he is benefitting from that pyramid scheme lol.
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Dec 8 2021 07:19am
Quote (GodSmiter @ Dec 8 2021 06:19am)
This is a cop-out. The earth can sustain more people but not the lifestyle and the economy would have to be very different. That scares them plus other factors like this current culture in which divorce is pretty high



Idc about musk either which way, I like gasoline engines.

I just wanted to point out tc literally made a fake topic and started a discussion about race and elitism when it has absolutely nothing to do with the article to begin with.

Typical leftist nonsense. The shitty thing is it is obvious when right wing idiots are making bait topics because most of them, especially on this sub are dumb as hell. Then you got the leftists on here slobbing all over each other as they have a pseudo intellectual conversation about some nonexistent controversy.
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Dec 8 2021 07:34am
So, certainly not the average alt-right d2jsp shitmulti.
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