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Oct 24 2021 01:29pm
Quote (Calipso @ Oct 24 2021 12:25pm)
Do you trust random bank employees with your valuable personal possessions? I do not.


But two keys are needed to access the box. One key from the bank and the other from you. Without your key, they cannot open your box.
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Oct 24 2021 01:32pm
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But two keys are needed to access the box. One key from the bank and the other from you. Without your key, they cannot open your box.


Boxes have been seized and opened without the second key.
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Oct 24 2021 01:38pm
Quote (Calipso @ Oct 24 2021 12:32pm)
Boxes have been seized and opened without the second key.


I acknowledge that that's what I have heard too, however I believe it only happens under extraordinary circumstances, for example, if law enforcement think there are contraband items in a box or if there is a criminal proceeding, and the judge might order to have the content seized.

I believe that for the average, law-abiding citizens like us who fly under the radar, the chances of our boxes being seized are quite low. Nobody would even know we have a safety deposit box with a bank, much less that there is gold in it.
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Oct 24 2021 01:48pm
Gold is a poor long term investment, just look at historical returns against the aggregate stock market

However, there is one good reason to own some, which is if you're worried about some societal collapse. Gold could theoretically preserve your wealth, but you should physically own it in a secure location that's in close proximity and not as numbers on a bank or investment account. Otherwise, there's no guarantee you'd be able to withdraw it
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Oct 24 2021 01:51pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2021 08:21am)
The idea with gold is not that it helps you during an ongoing crash of the economy/society with mass starvation and all that - the idea is that it provides you with a base net worth after a hypothetical currency reform/hyperinflation.

I've got around 50k in Kruger Rand gold coins in my bank deposit for this exact scenario. I'm fortunately not in a position where I have to put all my investment into profit maximization, so I can afford to skip a little bit of dividend for the sake of hedging against these scenarios. Going by the rate the ECB is pumping out money, hyperinflation/currency reform can unforatunely not be ruled out.

After a currency reform, my gold would have a purchasing power equivalent to 500k++ in today's money.


If your concern is hyperinflation then any commodity is appropriate to invest in. Again, gold is just a commodity.

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Oct 24 2021 02:06pm
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If your concern is hyperinflation then any commodity is appropriate to invest in. Again, gold is just a commodity.


Sure, but gold is durable, comapact and has a high inherent value (limited supply and needed for lots of technical applications, not just bling bling).

I inherited the coins; they were initially bought by my grand uncle during the 1970s lol. I probably would not have bought them myself, just never bothered to sell them.

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Oct 24 2021 02:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2021 01:06pm)
Sure, but gold is durable, comapact and has a high inherent value (limited supply and needed for lots of technical applications, not just bling bling).

I inherited the coins; they were initially bought by my grand uncle during the 1970s lol. I probably would not have bought them myself, just never bothered to sell them.


Can I ask you how you store your gold coins?

I was thinking about storing gold in a safety deposit box with a bank but someone above was telling me it was a bad idea.
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Oct 24 2021 02:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2021 03:06pm)
Sure, but gold is durable, comapact and has a high inherent value (limited supply and needed for lots of technical applications, not just bling bling).

I inherited the coins; they were initially bought by my grand uncle during the 1970s lol. I probably would not have bought them myself, just never bothered to sell them.


My point is just that gold is a commodity. Think of it like any other physical item investment. Investing in gold is good if any other commodity would be a good investment under similar circumstances.
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My point is just that gold is a commodity. Think of it like any other physical item investment. Investing in gold is good if any other commodity would be a good investment under similar circumstances.


Again: I am well aware that gold is a bad investment in the current environment, and honestly most environments. I consider my gold (which ofc doesnt represent a huge share of my net worth) an insurance, not an investment.
There are differences though. Gold, unlike commodities like oil, cobalt, grain or stuff like that, is a commodity that you can physically store in your safe.


Quote (JessiWan @ 24 Oct 2021 22:10)
Can I ask you how you store your gold coins?

I was thinking about storing gold in a safety deposit box with a bank but someone above was telling me it was a bad idea.


You need insurance for your deposit box which covers fire/flood, perhaps also theft. And of course you need to trust your bank to provide you access even at the hypothetical times when shit hits the fan.

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Oct 24 2021 02:38pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 24 2021 03:21pm)
Again: I am well aware that gold is a bad investment in the current environment, and honestly most environments. I consider my gold (which ofc doesnt represent a huge share of my net worth) an insurance, not an investment.
There are differences though. Gold, unlike commodities like oil, cobalt, grain or stuff like that, is a commodity that you can physically store in your safe.

You need insurance for your deposit box which covers fire/flood, perhaps also theft. And of course you need to trust your bank to provide you access even at the hypothetical times when shit hits the fan.


Sure, but the only reason you would ever want to physically store in your safe is in the event of complete collapse, in which case your gold is kind of worthless anyway because everybody is starving and you cant eat coins
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