shutting down the entire economy was fine, but a govt shutdown (which for the 25-40% that isn’t deemed “essential” they get backpaid for anyway) is the end of times for a bunch of foreign voyeur pale pasty privileged lefties

$3.5T isnt a lot of money! - says the proponents of the bill they don’t have to pay for themselves

besides a govt shutdown will keep people safe as they won’t be working and super-spreading covid in public areas. think of the children and grandparents

The democrats are doing this now tho…

So your point is the republicans did it in the past therefore it’s okay for dems to do it now ?

Like lol. At least you’re honest that you’re just a partisan.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 30 2021 11:42am

I think you're confused about a few things.

1. I'm not sure if you know what "pork" is. What local projects are in the bill and what do you object to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel
2. The 3.5 T bill has very little to do with infrastructure and has been separate from the traditional infrastructure bill for months. You need to update your talking points.
3. Do you know what the 3.5 T bill is attempting to do? In your words, what are the top 4 topics covered in the bill?

The reason the infrastructure bill hasn't passed the House yet is because there aren't enough Republicans to offset Progressive defectors. If the House GOP was wise, they would pass the bipartisan bill and remove any sort of negotiating power the Progressives have. Unfortunately, the GOP has incredibly weak leadership in the House. McCarthy is going to be a weaker Speaker than both Boehner and Ryan.

no idea if you know what a filibuster is or anything but when its 95% dems voting yes and 100% pubs voting no only an infantile mind would point at 'Democrats' as an entire party that is 'holding back' a bill. Quite despicable actually to bring forth that argument in any debate where people can count.

This post was edited by Crunkt on Sep 30 2021 12:26pm

The Democratic party quite clearly has the power to raise the debt limit on their own, and the Republican party has no ability to stop them from doing so. I'm not sure how you've gone about and construed this in your mind to mean that the world is ending, because it's just not true. The Democrats will pass funding and raising the debt limit separately, because to do otherwise would result in a default and, having control over all three branches, they would obviously be blamed for the outcome.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Sep 30 2021 01:31pm

spending never should have been allowed to exceed collections, we should have passed a law preventing it 40 years ago, but alas.

I hope all government payrolls are halted until December or whenever.

i take "someone who never had an economics class in their life" for 100, alex.

i've got plenty of 200 level uni econ under my belt before i swapped to stats/CJ.

my stance is moral, and a generalization of hindsight, rather than mathematical and absolute.

im very open to a diverse strategy of debt minimization as well as not selling the US's debt to china, more strict budgetary requirements hardcoded into the law including social safety nets, etc.

my general point is that leaving debt and even budgetary policy directly in the hands of the political pendulum has led us to a shitty place.

but feel free to say im back tracking, feel free to be snarky, and feel free to blame the entire problem on republicans. i could use a good excuse to not talk to you for a few months.

fully agreed, but the fiat money system and the people/banks behind it wont allow this

the next big crash is incoming, after that its possible to try your approach