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Sep 23 2021 09:09am
Quote (adingee @ Sep 23 2021 09:07am)
There it is. That's the stuff we come to expect.


Oh yeah?

People confront you on your cognitive dissonance often, eh?
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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2021 10:42am)
kids arent vaccinated lol.

u guys do some seriously interesting mental gymnastics to try and make valid points.


vaccine is not 100% and have break through cases so can still spread so they should still wear masks till more people get the shot.... but yep gymnastics this issue :rolleyes:
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Quote (LoverManGenius @ 23 Sep 2021 16:56)
Your first problem is assuming you even know my positions on these issues - so you're already deep in the red in having to have me school you on how to be a normal human being who debates outside of his echo chamber.

Not everyone is either "Right wing" or "left wing" - nor do these terms have explicit meaning ubiquitously across the world. My interpretation of what it means to be right wing may be drastically different than yours. You for instance, probably assume right wingers are also tangential to white supremacy and nationalism - I for one, hate what America has become and think it has absolutely nothing to be proud of.. but still for largely different reasons than yours.


Now, about vaccines: I actually support them - while not supporting them.

I think that vaccines should be administered only to the degenerate - people who fit into these catagories:

Obese, smoker, diabeetus, bad sleep / insomniacs, people who experience high viral load on a daily basis (sluts), people with bad lungs and otherwise immunocompromised people. I recommend immediate vaccination for every person who suffers these afflictions, so you're wrong.

To my next point: No, my choosing not to have the vaccine does not affect others - because I am hyper aware of when I become symptomatic and will simply stay home when I experience symptoms of Covid. And if you think you can remedy my argument by claiming that an asymptomatic person can still spread Covid, to that I would say - so can you with your vaccine. Next?


Lastly, about you alluding to the facile claim that its Covid causing healthcare overload.. this is just willful ignorance of the facts of how the healthcare system works. The truth is that hospitals have and always will exist in a state of perpetual overload - that is quite simply what they are intended to do - what is the point of having a large number of hospital beds if you don't use them? Hospitals ALWAYS operate at 85%+ capacity and that isn't suddenly a tragedy just because Covid now exists. The truth is that most of the Covid patients (vaccinated or otherwise) who enter ICUs or even die, were suffering from other afflictions that caused Covid to be exasperated. The vast majority (And I'm claiming 95% here) of dead Covid patients had one or a combination of the co morbidities I listed above (see my point about supporting vaccines and degenerate people.)

Only 5% of people who were admitted to hospital and inevitably died from Covid could be said to have died from having had Covid alone.


quick math question: do you think there is a difference between 85 and 100? or are they the same number?

meanwhile in reality:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04547218
https://wjes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13017-021-00382-z

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/

also, just because YOU claim you would just stay at home if covid hits you, doesn't mean that unvaccinated spreadnecks aren't flooding hospitals. you also didn't address the more rapid mutation problem in unvaccinated populations. all you have are baseless guesses and demonstrably wrong assumptions. just another covid karen who did their own "research" on facebook...
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Sep 23 2021 09:42am
Quote (fender @ Sep 23 2021 09:35am)
quick math question: do you think there is a difference between 85 and 100? or are they the same number?

meanwhile in reality:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04547218
https://wjes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13017-021-00382-z

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/13/1036593269/coronavirus-alabama-43-icus-at-capacity-ray-demonia
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-hospital-icu-bed-shortage-veteran-dies-treatable-illness/

also, just because YOU claim you would just stay at home if covid hits you, doesn't mean that unvaccinated spreadnecks aren't flooding hospitals. you also didn't address the more rapid mutation problem in unvaccinated populations. all you have are baseless guesses and demonstrably wrong assumptions. just another covid karen who did their own "research" on facebook...


Can you please link arguments before your sources? (In detail, explain what you think the article proves and how it does so) I'm not reading 4 articles (especially not from CBS of all places) before even knowing what you're trying to prove.

I'm also confused by your question about 85 and 100 or how you think it was relevant.


If your intent was to imply that ICUs are already at 100% capacity:

1. Be clear about this, because I'm not going to waste my time decoding sarcasm on every post you make.

and 2. They are not at 100% capacity across the country - sure some hospitals are struggling more than others, but the implication that hospitals are all at 100% or more capacity is outrageously wrong. You can confirm this is true simply by looking up the wait times for beds in various states.


You're also making a lot of really dumb claims about the how viruses function that are going way beyond your level of education.

1. You don't know that unvaccinated people are expressly responsible for mutation - because not even our top epidemiologists know this yet.

2. You don't even know if its your own vaccine that could be causing adaptation in the virus - or even if its a combination of both 1 and 2.

3. You aren't even addressing what's happening with the variants that are proving to be vaccine evasive - it was not unvaccinated people who were responsible for these mutations. Several Harvard researchers have already explained that Covid (by design) is made to change the way it attaches to receptors in the human body once antibodies have fixed the exploit that was last successful. In other words, Covid-19 automatically has the baseline ability to mutate without natural adaptation, which means that ultimately, vaccines may not be the appropriate strategy for beating it.

This post was edited by LoverManGenius on Sep 23 2021 10:01am
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Sep 23 2021 09:45am
Quote (GarryGarry @ Sep 23 2021 10:17am)
vaccine is not 100% and have break through cases so can still spread so they should still wear masks till more people get the shot.... but yep gymnastics this issue :rolleyes:


vaccine isn't 100%, no vaccine is even more not 100%.

are you saying you support both masking and everyone getting the vaccine? cool if so.
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Sep 23 2021 09:50am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2021 10:42am)
kids arent vaccinated lol.

u guys do some seriously interesting mental gymnastics to try and make valid points.


Kids cant get the virus either rofl

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Sep 23 2021 09:59am
Quote (LoverManGenius @ 23 Sep 2021 08:00)
Is a gay person who gives themselves aids by engaging in hardcore poop stuff eligible for healthcare? If so, why?


:rofl:
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Sep 23 2021 10:05am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 23 2021 10:50am)
Kids cant get the virus either rofl

Teachers unions deserve public pillory in the town square


what is it Feb 2020? we're still pretending kids cant get and then pass the virus?

my wife's school 4k program just shut down for 2 weeks because they had 5 cases in a week in kids 5 and under.

you guys like to run on really bad info sometimes its comical.
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Sep 23 2021 10:06am
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 23 2021 11:45am)
vaccine isn't 100%, no vaccine is even more not 100%.

are you saying you support both masking and everyone getting the vaccine? cool if so.


nope saying we higher % people vaccine before lifting masks :o
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Sep 23 2021 10:06am
Quote (GarryGarry @ Sep 23 2021 11:06am)
nope saying we higher % people vaccine before lifting masks :o


so if you have, just for argument's sake, 100% of a group of people vaccinated masks aren't needed?
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